Liberals focus on cost-cutting policies

>> you want to respond?

>> none of the advocates are making just economic costs. i don't actually think the economic arguments would be effective today if we hadn't shown over the last 15 years we are putting innocent people on death row . it's unreliable. the data that said for every ten people executed, one innocent people is identified. i don't think these economic arguments would have the force with the country that has been nurtured on the politics of anger. every elected official said you can never be too tough on crime, you need a narrative to retreat from that and cost is effective.

>> i want to show the effectiveness of that. i think it's interesting. 1976 and 66 in favor and reaches a peak in 1994 . now it's back down to 63%. we have seen over the last 20 years, a fairly significant erosion of support for the death penalty .

>> they are criminals and should get the death penalty . the conversation is not including what used to be the law up until the 19th century . state and federal governments have the right to dismantle the public good. a death penalty corporation.

>> i want to be clear. dissolution of the charter. not the killing of the individuals. dissolving the charter.

>> when are we going to have that conversation since they are the people according to the law?

>> this gets to where you want to push out the boundaries. who gets punished and who doesn't? who do they wayne down upon and where are they allowed to do what they want? getting stopped and fisked on the street. at the same time if you have to go to a state rep who is a conservative democrat representing a suburb of birmingham and doing the swing vote on a bill, none of that will matter. it's the same thing if you are working for congress.

>> if the most effective argument that puts it over the top puts it over the top , you move heaven and earth to have the policy in place. if that tips the scales, i absolutely think we need not worry. we have to couch the debate enough to keep your eyes on the prize .

>> i will bring up an example about what happened in colorado. the legislature came within one vote of appealing the death penalty tow take the money and put it into the office to pursue the cold cases . a similar approach. you got within one vote. it is progress. the economic argument it wasn't enough to go to those conservative democrats and conservative republicans and say this is enough to vote for because i think they fear that an issue like the death penalty or the drum war is a religious issue. people say well, i may think it's better to save the money than not have the death penalty . killers deserve to die and i don't want more drugs on the street.

>> that's the reason why people have to understand. you can see it's acceptable and reject it as policy. you are trying to create space for that to happen. i think you say i am too progressive or too liberal or this to sulley my support and opposition to the death penalty by polluting the arguments. only the most protected and elite people can allow these violations to persist and not feel it. i'm thinking that anything getting to reform has to be open about it.

>> with the drug argument, they understood that in order to get it passed, you have to make it with drugs.

>> i want to talk to you about immigration and that's a place where they have been talking a bit and