The Rachel Maddow Show | June 18, 2012
>>> 1984 , ronal reagan won re-election by such a huge margin, he won 49 states. ronald reagan that year even won wisconsin as a republican which is almost statistically impossible. democrat democrats always win wisconsin . since democrats lost that one year in 1984 when they lost everything, they have won wisconsin every year since. when the democrats lost the next election in 1988 , they still won wisconsin . michael dukakis won in 1988 . in 1992 , bill clinton won wisconsin . in 1996 , democrats won wisconsin . in 2000 , when the democrats lost, when george w. bush beat al gore , stillering al gore , nevertheless, won wisconsin . in 2004 , when george w. bush beat john kerry , john kerry won in wisconsin . in the last six presidential elections for the last 24 years, democrats have won wisconsin in presidential elections every single time. this year, however, republicans say they're going to win it. at least so said mitt romney today.
>> we're going to win wisconsin and we're going to get the white house .
>> the implicit cay that republicans are making about them having good chances in wisconsin is not so much that mitt romney is a perfect candidate for trying to win over a state that hasn't gone republican in 24 years, it's that republican politics are getting very wisconsiny overall. when mr. romney took the stage in wisconsin today, she was shoulder to shoulder with the chair of the republican party , and there was wisconsin governor scott walker , and then of course, there was congressman paul ryan , mr. romney has endorsed mr. ryan's kill medicare budget at his own and started hiring paul ryan budget staffers as his own policy adviers. wisconsin is not a place to try to win that they don't usually win. it's not a place where they think this particularly republican presidential candidate has an appeal and a shot affwinning. for the republican party , it's not about that. for the republican party , wisconsin is important because wisconsin all of a sudden is what republicans stand for. wisconsin this year is where republicans are getting all their ideas.
>> you want us to hire more government workers, he says we need more firemen, more policemen, more teachers. didn't he get the message, the american people did, it's time to cut back on government.
>> i think at the national level, we can learn a lot from this guy, you know that?
>> this guy, republican governor scott walker of wisconsin . the message of wisconsin , according to the republican party 's presidential nominee this year is it's time to cut firemen and policemen and teachers. that's the message of wisconsin . and he says the message of whisk wiv is now the national message for the republican party . here's the thing, though, if the big republican idea this year is cutting firefighters andofficers, it's shrinking the public sector , firing people with public sector jobs. we're already doing that now, and it's not helping. this is a chart of public sector jobs in the last four recessions. we have organized the recessions by president. so what's the difference between the current fragile recovery from this current recession? and the better recovery from the previous three recessions? well, first of all, this recession was worse, but second of all, in the previous three recessions, policymakers let public sector employment keep growing, which frankly helped with the recovery. president obama has proposed doing that this time, too, with his jobs act, right, but republicans in congress have said no along with some conservative democrats , so in trying to recover from this recession, we have been doing something differently than we did in previous ones. in trying to recover from this recession, we have been hampered by a public sector that is still firing people. cops and teachers and firefighters. we have been trying to recover from a recession while firing people in the public sector all the while wondering why things aren't getting better. when paul writes about this dynamic, it calls it the republican economy that we're in, and that drives republicans nuts, but he means it and says it's a huge, huge problem. not just politically, but for the country. he says overall, the picture for america in 2012 bears a stunning resemblance to the great mistake of 1937 when fdr prematurely slashed spending sending the u.s. economy into the second leg of the great depression. in his case, it was an error, but in president obama 's case, much if not all of the responsibility for the policy wrong turn lied with a strictly republican majority in the house. paul writing about the first depression, but what he said what we're in right now is another depression. it's not a recession right now, it's a depression. he does say it's beatable. it's beatab ablable politically, and understanding why republicans are blaming everything on policemen and firefighters now is the key that unlocks the door to making things better. nobel prize winner paul crudeman is here tonight for the interview. stay tuned.