Joe Biden vs. Hillary Clinton in 2016

>> you have done all you could do to deliver freedom safely to future generations , i salute you and i look ahead to 2016 , wishing you much success and extending to you my highest regards.

>> madam secretary, first, let me thank you for your service. and i wish you the best in your future endeavors, mostly.

>> where would hillary clinton be today were it not for president obama ? well, okay, she could be president of the united states . but given that she was actually a losing presidential candidate in 2008 , where would she be today had president obama not appointed her secretary of state? and where would joe biden be today without president obama ? joe biden was an even bigger presidential campaign loser than hillary clinton when barack obama chose him as running mate. and now, the essential question about hillary clinton is will she run for president? a campaign in which she is to presumed frontrunner. and the essential question about joe biden is will he run for president, even if hillary clinton runs for president? and is that why joe biden was literally running down pennsylvania avenue on monday? is he trying to show what a young, and vital 70-year-old he is? the night before the running man worked the parade crowd, joe biden hosted a party at his residence with more than 200 democratic insiders, some of the mo strongest. he has convinced the democratic field will be defined quickly and that it may very we will come down to a private chat with hillary clinton , about who should finish what barack obama started. he is intoxicated about the democrats. according to the polls released today, 47% view him favorably, 46% unfavorably. 67% view hillary clinton favorably, 26% view her unfavorably. a democrat close to both joe biden and clinton said it is extremely unlikely they would challenge each other. they will both build up teams and see how it goes. the democrat said one of them will fade away as it becomes more obvious which one of them should be the standard-bearer for the obama legacy. i can't see them announcing the run, but both will have teams trying to get them to that.

>> i haven't made that judgment, and hillary clinton has not made that judgment. but i can tell you what, everything that should be done over the next two years that i should be a part of would have to be done whether i run or i don't run. if this administration is successful, whoever is running as a democrat is better positioned to win. if it were not successful, whoever runs as a nominee is going to be less likely to win.

>> karen finney, i can absolutely imagine both of them running. i don't think there will be a cooperative conversation.

>> oh.

>> i mean, joe biden , joe biden , look, each one of them watched the other lose a presidential primary . okay? they -- i don't know why either one of them would stand down in the face of -- hillary clinton obviously wouldn't.

>> you have to ask yourself, running for president is like being hung by your fingernails. i mean it is really, really, a miserable task.

>> which both of them have freely chosen in the past.

>> they have, so the question is do you want to subject yourself to that again? i would make the prediction that whatever we predict won't happen.

>> hillary clinton , that was her problem going into the last campaign. she had a negative rating higher than her approval rating . she has helped that thanks to cretary of s tate.

>> right, and we know that first lady and secretary of state are typically two that have the highest ratings, in administrations of both parties. you're seeing today, the wrong day for me to make the prediction, although today the secretary of state was pulled into that. you know, it is early and we're going to have as good odds dealing with this, this far out, as predicting as how sasha and malia would do as candidates. it is very early. these are two people who bottom lined and really wanted to be president for a long time.

>> but joe biden was not even in this conversation recently, people were not listing him as a possible just on the basis of age alone. and that is why he is being so overt, he needs to be on this list.

>> and wait a second, what if the vice president wanted to run. oh, yeah? okay, joe, and his people have also really put the idea out there if he wanted to run he could run. he is very beloved. here is what is most important in what you said. and that is how it would be framed. if either one of them ran, this idea of a third obama term or this idea of sort of continuing the work that was started, i think is going to be the winning message for either of the two of them. unlike if it is cuomo or o'malley, who would have to have a different theme.

>> would hillary clinton really adopt an obama continuation message? i mean, she is her own political entity. this is a continuation of clintonism.

>> i agree, i thought all the blind quotes sounded to me like joe biden people trying to sound like they could be anyone's people. i don't think if you're hillary clinton there is an issue about a private conversation. if you're hillary clinton and you want to go out there and do it, you will go out there, and crush who is in the primary, joe biden or cuomo, up need to. it seems much more of a joe biden -type argument, saying obviously we'll coordinate and work out.

>> karen finney, joe biden is a great vice president, it is a job that is hard to be great at. he has found a way to be great at. is there any way he could be talked into it doing it for 16 years.

>> the longest serving vice president