Gabby Giffords takes on gun lobbyists

>>> 20 heartbroken families, i know how much it hurts. my 9-year-old daughter was murdered in the tucson shooting. i have one question for the political leaders , when will you find courage to stand up to the gun lobby ? whose child has to die next? for every mother, we can't wait, we have to demand a plan. go to plan.org and demand a plan.

>> that television ad aired for the first time today in tucson , arizona, at 10:10 a.m . to mark to the minute the second anniversary of the gun massacre that left six people dead, 12 wounded, including former congresswoman gabrielle giffords . gabrielle giffords , along with her husband, mark kelly , launched the americans for responsible solutions political action committee today to counter the weapons. they wrote in response to a series of horrific shootings that have happened in our communities, victimized tens of thousands of americans and left one of its own bleeding in a tucson parking lot , congress has done something extraordinary, nothing at all.

>> how do we get to the point where 85% of the children in the world that are killed with guns are killed in the united states ? that is a sobering statistic.

>> so that is what changed for you?

>> yes.

>> you told me before, when i said are you angry? you said no, it is life. do you still feel that way?

>> no.

>> do you get angry?

>> yes, yes.

>> vice president joe biden will be sending his recommendations for gun safety reform to the president within the next three weeks. the vice president will meet with victim's groups and gun safety organizations tomorrow at the white house . then on thursday, he will meet with gun advocates, including a representative from the nra. joining me now is msnbc's enjoy reid and patricia maze who helped to stop the tucson shooter, by wrestling a wave of bullets before he could reload. patricia , i want to start with you tonight. one thing that the nra talks about tonight, you can't stop all of these killings. we know that we can't stop all of them. for me, the question is how easy do we want to make it for them? and one of those questions is, how big are the magazines that we want the mass shooters to have access to? and as you know from your own personal experience the only reason that shooting stopped was because he had to reload.

>> that is right, there is absolutely no reason for the general population to have that kind of fire capacity. or that type of gun, the assault weapons . there is no reason for that. now our shooter had a glock. so that doesn't fall into that category, i don't believe. but the high capacity magazines, if he had only had ten bullets in that first magazine, there probably would not be as many people injured or dead.

>> yeah, patricia , i have said i blame the shooter for the first ten but i blame the laws for what happened after that. enjoy reid, the momentum is building in the public discussion about this. and i want to play, i think something that is kind of extraordinary. general mccrystal this morning talking about this.

>> i spent a career carrying typically, the m-16, and later, an m-4 carbine, which fires a 223 caliber round, at about 3,000 feet per second. when it hits a human body the effects are devastating. it is designed to do that. i personally don't think there is any need for that kind of weapon, really, on the streets and particularly around the schools in america. i think serious action is necessary. sometimes we talk about very limited actions on the edges, and i just don't think that is enough. i think we'll find out.

>> the former general knows the weapons were designed for his use, not street use.

>> yeah, and i think that is very important. we heard a lot of people saying that it is important for gun owners to get involved in the debate. but i think it is even more important for people like stanley mccrystal to get involved. on the way over i talked to my brother, who was involved in the army, the upgrade was the bushmaster ar-15 because it is lighter weight and gives you the capacity to essentially lay down what you consider cover fire . the idea that you can fire so many bullets that the enemy, right, cannot get the opportunity to advance. these are weapons of war. they're military weapons. and we've heard people who have military service say this. these are the kind of weapons our troops need to survive a war zone . there is really no credible explanation i have ever heard as to why ordinary people need them. these guns were designed to kill people. that is what they're for.

>> patricia , have you had any conversations with gun enthusiastic people who have told you this is why i need a high-capacity magazine for my ammunition?

>> the only thing they have told me, and i have had conversations, is that i deserve to have them. i can have them. it is legal, i want them. i can afford them.

>> do they tell you of any suffering they endured during the years when they were legal?

>> not one word, i did challenge a couple of people who said they could have taken down our shooter. and i challenge them with saying i'll buy you a reality or a fantasy adventure at one of the villages where the good guys pop out and the bad guys pop out. and if you can take every one of the bad guys down and not hit any of the good guys, i'll pay for your adventure. if you don't perform perfectly, then you have to give me three times what i paid for my cause. and i have not had anyone take me up on that offer yet.

>> and joy, well-trained police officers cannot get those tests exactly right. and they are given to police officers to humble them on the use of their firearms. to be more careful with them.

>> yeah, absolutely, there was an armed guard at columbine, when somebody is firing 100 rounds at you, when do you have the opportunity to take them out? at what point with the 100-round volleys, at what point did the guy stop shooting?

>> thank you both for joining us.

>> thank you.

>>> coming up, the jersey boys , chris christie and john stewart are teaming up to attack house republicans. in the rewrite, massachusetts will get another appointed senator when john kerry becomes secretary of state. wouldn't it be nice, wouldn't it make a lot of sense if that appointed senator who held office temporarily until an election is held, actually has washington experience like barney frank , or maybe even better, some senate legislative experience like maybe, i don't know, you know? me.