The Last Word | May 21, 2012
>> for the past three weeks, three different churches in north carolina have not distinguished themselves by the public statements of their senior pastors about the issue of marriage equality .
>> for 300 years we had laws that would prosecute that lifestyle. we are not smarter in the last few years than we have been in 300 years.
>> what is stopping them from refr refining marriage is between a person and a beast. we're not far from that.
>> can i make it any clearer? dads? the second you see your son dropping the limp wrist , you walk over there and crack that wrist.
>> just when you didn't think it could get worse, this pastor decided his congregation in north carolina also needed a good dose of hell fire and hatred.
>> i figured out a way to get rid of all the lesbians and queers but i couldn't get it past the congress. build a great big large fence, 150 or 100 mile long. put all the lesbians in there. fly over and drop some food. do the same thing with the queers and the homosexuals and have that fence electrified so they can't get out. feed them and you know what? in a few years they will die out. do you know why? they can't reproduce. if a man ever has a young one, praise god, it will be the first one. all of these -- you just as well amen. i'm going to preach the hell out of all of them. i tell you right now somebody said who you going vote for? i ain't going to vote for a baby killer or a homosexual lover. you said did you mean to say that? you better believe i did!
>> we wanted to know if he stands by those remarks so we repeatedly called the providence road baptist church today. there was no answer. good evening.
>> good evening. how are you?
>> i am well. we must be careful not to judge or mock those who hold duffering views on this issue. but what possible justification is there for this kind of relentless and defensive treatment of others?
>> there is no justification of it. none at all. there is even no place in scripture that says anything like this. i think what is happening is we are starting to see what their true christianianty is like. i think about frederick douglas when he talked about what slave holding christianianty was like this is the christianianty of the 21st sentry in america. it is okay to vilify anyone who you think is not like you. and that's just wrong.
>> given that jesus turned almost every social convention of his time from treating the outcast with respect, to forgiving a prostitute, does this pastor really believe that the jesus of scripture would provide a fenced enclosure for lesbians? and why are congregations so do sil when they should surely be challenging this kind of preaching?
>> you are absolutely correct. of course they should be challenging it. but in some of these congregations, the pastors hold a tremendous amount of sway. these people don't pick up scripture for themselves. they rely on the pastor to tell them what to think and believe on sundays. jesus didn't say anything like this. it always strikes me that this jesus that they claim to love so much would never treat anyone like this he would not fence anyone in. he would not drop food down on someone like this. it is heinous, i have to say.
>> what do you say to those thee low gins who are not hateful of homosexuality but believe that there are biblical reasons for why they cannot accept same sex relationships or gay marriage ?
>> i would say we need to sit down and look at scriptures together. just as much as they say there is not a biblical justification for it, people on the other side can make the justification from scripture. the problem about this is they are inflating two issues. one is a civil right and the other is what is their religious right and everybody interprets scripture a different way. so i think what we have to do is stop allowing people to come on tv and quote scriptures all the time and say that's it, god settles it. if they don't know the different between inner rant, literal and infallible means, they shouldn't be talking about it.
>> is it your view that we need to consider culture at the same time that we consider the absolutes of scripture.
>> what i think is more important is that there are laws of the land. what really was interesting to me about what happened with president obama saying that he was for same sex marriage is that all of these pastors immediately went bezerk. we have inflated what civil rights say. we are not a country that is run by the bible. we are run by our constitution. what the problem is these people have con flated the two.
>> anthea, thank you so much for joining us.
>> thank you.
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