The Ed Show | December 03, 2010
>>> now let's get some rapid-fire response from our panel on these stories. secretary of state hillary clinton is not running for president again. she says, her current job will be her last in public office . an anti-immigration conservatives are going berserk over the dream act which offers a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants who were brought here as children and are now attending college or serving in the military. with us tonight joe madison , xm satellite radio talk show host . and tom tancredo former republican congressman. gentlemen, good to have you with us tonight. tom, i'll go to you first. why are you against the dream act ? what does the dream act do that would hurt this country?
>> creates an amnesty . and it's much more than an amnesty than it's got anything to do with issues of higher education for people who are here illegally or even joining the military. it is an amnesty because of course the way in which it's produced -- it's kind of like you'd like to see something that demands truth in advertising for -- for bills, for legislative bills , calling this a bill dealing with just a proposal for people going to -- seeking higher education is -- it's not true. it goes from -- it makes eligible people from 16 to 34 years old. you can enroll in a two-year college program, claim the amnesty , go after the amnesty , never finish college. you don't have any kind of way of identifying -- or actually verifying the people who say they're going to -- that they're here and that have been here all of this time. it could be for anybody. and by the way, once they get the amnesty , they can, then, get amnesty for their entire family. that's exactly what has happened time and time again.
>> joe , amnesty ?
>> well, any bill has to be tweaked and tom understands that better than anybody else. but it's interesting that he only refers to the college aspect of it. the people who serve in the military, i think, have proven that they in fact deserve citizenship. i think it should be part, ed, of a comprehensive immigration plan. that's really what is needed in this country. but this dream act , some of these young people who are in this country, quite candidly, are as american as the three of us. they've gone to college. they're ready to work. they speak the language. they're contributing to this. they're paying taxes. does it need tweaking i would agree with that but i wouldn't throw this out totally, absolutely not.
>> tom, what's wrong with the level of amnesty ? some level of it. we have to have some concessions, do we not?
>> ed, here's the biggest problem with any amnesty plan, and i just don't know how to square this circle. if people have come here the right way and, really, millions upon millions, we have a million and a quarter people coming every year the right way. we're the most liberal country in the world for people to come here as immigrants. we have them go through a process. it is sometimes challenging. it's true. and it sometimes takes time, money, brain damage, i know. but people do it. and then when they come here, what do we tell them? that if in fact you've come the wrong way, if you've come into this country illegally, we will still give you --
>> i understand what you're saying.
>> -- all of the benefits.
>> but we're talking about children here.
>> it's just that you can't -- but no matter -- i understand that. but why would you make it easier, why would you do anything that would attract more people into this country by saying here's more that we'll give you. you can come here, you can work, nobody's going to throw you out. you can get into college.
>> but, tom, you know what attracts -- you know what attracts illegal -- you know who they really should be throwing around? they should be throwing around people --
>> thank you. we do agree on that. you're absolutely right.
>> okay. you put them in jail and trust me --
>> i totally agree.
>> okay, you solve the immigration problem .
>> but if you've got kids in this country who've been here brought here by their parents.
>> yes, sis, you're right.
>> and they've done no wrong and they don't know any better. all that they know is america and why not allow that -- make that part of the solution, tom?
>> especially because it's enticement.
>> the military.
>> now, the military, let's talk about that, because you know i think that's an intriguing aspect of this to tell you the truth and i'll tell you why. the military andile don't know why the military is asking for this. can't reach their quota, want more people? i'm not sure but even if that's not part of the equation whether the military wants them or not, at least what you're talking about there is -- is undertaking something that is difficult, a challenge, and maybe it can even be seen as sort of in a way a penalty. you have to serve in the military. you know that can be seen in a way --
>> what about that, joe .
>> and having doing something that you otherwise can't do and i can understand that but a college education ?
>> yeah, but hold. i think that you insult military people who volunteer. this is not a draft.
>> these are the military for the love of the country.
>> these are honored, yeah, these are people who are honored and honored to serve their country. we don't have a draft. what we have are volunteers who go there, and you're right, the army -- and i'm sorry the military needs all the help it can get.
>> all right, hillary clinton says she's done with -- going to the next subject. hillary clinton says that she's done with politics. she says i think that i'll serve as secretary of state as my last public position and then probably go back to advocacy work, i've had a fascinating and rewarding public career. tom, do you believe that this is it for hillary clinton being secretary of state and then it'sould hol d her to, but then on the other hand, let me tell you, how many politicians have you ever heard say to you, i'm not running again? and if she's right and if she's being honest, that's with me and she may be at this point in time think that that's the case.
>> joe .
>> but you know what i still wouldn't say, if years to come she said, i'd changed my mind, i wouldn't be too surprised.
>> well, my wife is probably sitting at home agreeing with tom. because i think somewhere in the statement, ed, you might see the word "i think" this might be my last --
>> joe madison . tom tancredo , great to have both you guys with us tonight. thanks so much.
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