The Gaggle: Road to 1600

>>> former governor jeb bush planted the flag in the 2016 presidential run saying he'll make a bid in the future, so let's bring in our gaggle, nancy gibbs, and host of msnbc's now with alex wagner, i will not nickname you, alex wagner.

>> you could nickname me.

>> maggie haberman, the thing about all this rollout with jeb , is he's not shying away from the 2016 conversation, probably have marco rubio going on, oh, no.

>> or something.

>> but that in itself is a significant move for jeb .

>> absolutely. he spent so much time during the 2012 race avoiding process except for a couple moments when he said he didn't think his father would be able to get elected in his climate, and when he said 2012 was probably his moment and that ted passed him by. obviously he thinks there's another moment ahead. i do think this was not the simplest of rollouts with this book. it's been complicated in terms of a path to citizenship and where he stands. it could be an issue for him. it depends on where this debate goes.

>> nancy , what's interesting about this book, he didn't come out for a path to citizenship in the book. you ask him about path to citizenship and he clearly says, it's not a deal breaker. then he says, well, i wrote the book before november when he thought republicans -- it's clearly hinting read between the lines . he was having a political white paper in a attempt to get conservatives onboard, perhaps not where he was.

>> it would put him to the right of marco rubio and the gang of eight. path to citizenship, that's 9 million to 11 million potential voters. i think he's in a complicated position because all along he's been to the left of his party on this subject and that's not a comfortable place for him.

>> but he seems to not be -- alex , he was so easily moved away from his book. it's like he sees the writing on the wall , oh, path to citizenship's going to be in there. i'll be okay with it.

>> well, that's a big bet . i think, first of all the fact that jeb bush is now dropping the phrase magnets which harkens back to mitt romney . we talk about maggies written about the party. fact that genetic bush feels he needs to do a tango over the path to citizenship when you have marco rubio pushing on that issue, it points, i am bullish about pushing. but when you see someone like him do what he's doing now at this point in the process, i think it throws some question out there as far as whether they're actually going to get it done.

>> maggie, i saw already some former romney people blindfolded saying, geez, if he wasn't for a path to citizenship, why didn't he say that more loudly for us during the campaign?

>> well, it goes back to a political calculus and a white paper for the party. i think he knew where this was going. i don't think you ever saw him feeling that warm warm about romney . i think if the romney campaign wants a narrow dawn their list of enemies, i think he could be on it. but the fact that he is being so open about his desires on 2016 , as you say, it changes things because almost everybody else is afraid to put something forward now.

>> right. nancy , what this does with jeb doing this, and he can't clear the field like hillary, but you know there's a lot of democrats sitting there, going, that guy can get elected, if he somehow survives the process, he's sounding like the conservative in florida, knowing how to compromise, that puts more pressure on hillary clinton .

>> can i just say, that nothing delights me more than the idea of the smackdown.

>> we never got this, clinton,?? you talk to him about he was the only one who mentioned his brother's name at the republican convention . can i point out that it was mentioned more often at the democratic convention and that would have been in praise forxd bill cl.v-=9 during his speech.

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