The Gaggle: Clinton 2016 and Senate shakeup

>>> hillary clinton supporters, they're pushing to trying to push her towards a white house bid even though al gore lectured us this morning on the today show stop talking about 2016 . these hillary clinton supporters are starting a super pac already. it's called guess what, ready for hillary. we're watching live pictures, of course, of secretary of state hillary clinton holding a town hall at the newseum, a town hall broadcast around the world. let's bring in phil musser, a republican consultant and former executive director of the rga dee dee myers served as press secretary in the first clinton administration .

>> exactly.

>> and nathan gonzales is the deputy editor of the rothenberg political report and a contributor to roll call . are you going to be referred to that some day? will we be introducing you as a press secretary in the first clinton administration .

>> >> i look forward to clinton 45. i'm there.

>> in all honesty, these are some serious donors of hers, people you know and recognize.

>> right.

>> is there such a thing as too early or too soon to do this? is this how the way other 2016ers will physically go on trips to iowa, new hampshire, she won't? is this how they go about doing it?

>> well, look, it is a little distracting to have people talking about her. on the other hand, she freezes everything in place. the entire democratic field is frozen till she decides what to do.

>> mark o'malley still looks at the travel schedules to des moines he can't raise money and line up supporters. everyone is on the sidelines till she's in or out. she's needs time, to take a few months at a minimum, rest, take a lay of the land and decide what she wants to do. clearly there's tremendous support for her deep into the democratic base and even some independents and republicans think this is a very, very qualified candidate.

>> is the counter in the republican party jeb bush ? does he have the same ability she does, or maybe not quite as strong but similar to sort of freeze the race if he decides to get in and suddenly block a whole bunch of people?

>> probably not as much as hillary clinton does in the democratic party , but jeb bush cast ahuge shadow. he's an intellectual leader, well liked, enormous network.

>> this time he might think about it.

>> i think he would be a terrific leader for our party. he's an excellent guy. one of the key things dee dee just said is taking time off to rest. you're talking to someone who went through a 2 1/2 year invisible primary. the level of exhaustion, fatigue and process you have to go through. he started in '09.

>> you do start this early.

>> you can, but i think the lesson of this past cycle is don't start so early. if you look at the latent rants into the republican primary race, rick perry changed the tectonics of that race. don't start erl. i don't raise your hand too soon.

>> the early bird doesn't get the worm anymore.

>> that's right. that's a big lesson.

>> secretary clinton has the advantage of having president clinton be an unofficial campaigner. his speech at the convention got a lot of attention. but he was also in dozens of congressional races i think laying the grounds work for what he could call bac favors.

>> this time she can start doing congressional races. she jokes about that on " 60 minutes ." as secretary of state, she can't get involved in politics.

>> i'm sure she relishes campaigning for senators.

>> being secretary of state is a perfect excuse. i'd love to but i can't.

>> you guys aren't helping me here. we look at the map. i want to put up big numbers , 12 of the 21 seats from rothenberg report and you nathan that you have as fairly favored or safe democrat democratic seats. 14 of the 14 seats. open seats like georgia , we have seen the democratic party is getting closer every time with georgia .

>> the seat's been open force about 15 minutes . we have to see who runs on the republican side , who runs on the democratic side. even talking with democratic strategists they don't feel like georgia is quite there yet.

>> certainly not in a midterm sfwhoor president obama still in the white house and so someone like kareem reed viewed as a rising star . later in the decade, it might be a better chance for him.

>> what's interesting to me is the story in every senate race is the same no matter what you talk about with the republican party which is how is the primary going to shake out and can washington clear the field for candidate x and it's tom latham in iowa, somebody else in georgia or is club for growth or some other outside group going to cause problems and create a situation where you have an indiana.

>> the map we see today is likely see today is likely to change. surprises always happen. who knows what's going to happen in maine, but you'll see outside groups taking sides in primaries early. that's a new development this cycle that i think you'll see more aggressive, both on the moderate side of the party and on the conservative side of the party. that's the big thing to watch.

>> democrats don't have primary fights anymore. do you think that's going to come back?

>> it always does. we're democrats, right? but we're having so much fun watching the republican primary fights, when mitch mcconnell is not safe from a republican primary challenge in kentucky right now, that's great news for democrats.

>> stick around. i want to talk a little bit more with dee dee . by the way, our own andrea mitchell will sit down for her exit interview with secretary clinton . going to watch that entire interview tomorrow on " andrea mitchell reports" at 1:00, right here on msnbc.

>>> trivia, though, we asked who was the most recent chairman of the senate foreign relations committee to become secretary of state? i missed this. i assumed it was muskie. i was wrong. john sherman ! president mckinley 's secretary of state was chairman of the foreign relations committee from 1886 to 1893 . if kerry is confirmed, he'll be the first to hold both jobs in 115 years. how about that? got a taririvia question for us, e-mail us at dailyrundown@msnbc.com. we'll be