PoliticsNation | November 08, 2012
>>> today president obama was back at work in the white house , but of course mitt romney ? it's a very different story. he was last seen wednesday night leaves hi campaign headquarters in the rain. he was in the backseat of his son's care with his wife ann in the front. an advisers tells cbs news that romney was, quote, shell-shocked when he realized he lost. "the boston globe " said the campaign had planned a big fireworks show to celebrate the victo victory. for a few moments, it was actually online and really to go. and it includes plans for the inauguration. and it says he's working on a smooth transfer of power. but now mid romney is a private citiz citizen. he doesn't have secret service protection. the campaign aides say the credit cards have been cut off and supporters say he's likely to move to his home in california. i think he just fades, says one top donor. i think we have seen for the most part the last of mitt romney . but for the party he's leaving behind, the debate is just beginning. does the gop adapt, or does it fade into relevance? is this the party of lincoln or the party of rush limbaugh . joining me is megan mccain, columnist for "the daily beast and msnbc contributor. on election night she tweeted, quote, my party has to evolve or it's gooding to die. hogan go aheadly, he's worked for both rick santorum and mike huckabee . thank you both for joining me.
>> thank you.
>> thank you, reverend.
>> what ails the party , in your opinion?
>> i think we haven't reached out, and i think gale marriage is trending, and for whatever reason, this obsession with social issue says killing us. it was a difficult night, and one of the most popular things i've ever tweeted, and i think this is a harsh reality that we're facing right now. but i'm not shocked or surprised. i knew this when my father lost. i've been ostracized from my party , that i've discussed this with you before. if you're not going to start accepting people like me, this party is going to die.
>>> now, hogan, let me first start with the same question. what in your opinion is ailing your party ?
>> i think really one of the stats from election night shocked me. it was george h.w. bush won 60% of the white vote in 1988 . me got over 400 electoral votes . mitt romney did the same thing. he got crushed. i think there are three reasons this thing went so badly. one is because we have some type of -- we have decided either to ignore or to not try and court the changing faces in the electorate in this country. i think that's a huge problem, but also we have an antiquated method of getting out the vote. mccain did an okay job in '08. obviously he was outdone by barack obama , but other methods have just gone up to the '08 standards, and obama was growing his base, courting voters, something we haven't done. third is the candidate. he's going to take some blame, and he should. it was a tough race for us to win, i don't know that this was the best candidate to put forward to try to court a lot of the new voters in this country that we have so egregious loy ignored the last couple years.
>> hogan, you worked with mike huckabee , and mike huckabee and i don't great on much, but he's proven to get, so it's not even just whether one is conservative or not, but about reaching out, relating and dealing. because i wouldn't in the middle of the night call him a progressive, but he got double-digit black votes in arkansas.
>> right, double digits . he got 50% of the black votes --
>> i was trying note to tell everybody that, but go ahead.
>> he said, look, i've never caught a fish sitting on my couch talking about fishing. you have to get out and talked to the people.
>> and one of the problems we have i think in the party obviously on display now, we have so few good messengers that can deliver the message of conservative. can iflgts and he's right. what conservatism means has been diluted. we lost the single-woman vote. i mean, you're not telling me that all this discussion about if rape is really rape orb not that happened in the last 6 to 9 months didn't affect that? it did. i don't know why we're doing this, but it has -- i'm sorry.
>> how are you going to make -- you mentioned generational. how will you and hogan, obviously a different generation, will deal with voices like these. let me play you some people who don't seem like they want to evolve.
>>> there are 50% of the voting public who want stuff. they want things. glue we're all going to have to face reality, they pundits who are talking like -- i like bill o 'reilly a lot, but i think they're way off the mark. people seem to be angrier than facing the cold, hard reality.
>> well, i'll use another huckabee iism. he said i'm a conservative, just not angry at everybody about it. if you watch his show, you can see that. we need somebody who can go to all types of people and talk when the issues we love and we believe in as conservatives, but not turn them off. confide frankly, we have to quit cannibalizing our own, and if you're not conservative, you're out of. we probably don't disagree, but the tent needs to be broader, it needs to be wider and welcome more people and try to attract those people.
>> there's some issues that there's common ground even with progressives and conservatives. i've worked with education with newt gingrich . we don't great with anything, we don't agree on the westerly, but we dealt with that. your father, meghan, in '04 bush got 40% of the latino vote, your father 31% of the latino, down to 27%. mean just -- i don't understand why this hostility and this denial of the changing demographics of this country.
>> all you have to say is i grew up in politician. my dad ran for the first time when i was 14 years old. i groo you to love politics, hearing him talking about reaching across the aisle. if at this point as republicans we're not going to learn to compromise and meet in the middle , we're hurting america. i'm sick of this morization. i feel like i've been doing this the past five years. if this hasn't been the hard cold dose of reality, this party is going to die, and i assume the libertarian party will rise up instead. we're gig to face reality or we're going to die.
>> i am a conservative. i'm trying to conserve of civil rights act , voting rights away -- i'm really a conservative.
>> of course you are.
>> thank you for your time tonight. thank you both.
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