msnbc | March 08, 2013
>>> there's word that the white house may be again going for the grand . we're talking about the grand bargain. that could be back on the table now. the obama outreach of this week. we'll continue next with the president set to meet with republicans on capitol hill midweek. now, the hill is reporting today that the white house has set a july deadline for brokering this bipartisan deal. the new diplomacy received rave reviewed following yesterday's lunch.
>> i thought it was a good exchange of views, very informal setting, coats off, sleeves rolled up, really discussing ways we might begin to bridge some of the difference that is we face especially on budget issues.
>>> a little less fuzzy, the growing rift over the filibuster over the drone program.
>> the country needs more senators who care about liberty, but if mr. paul wants to be taken seriously, he needs to do more than pull political stunts that fire up impressionable libertarian kids in their college dorms. he needs to know what he's talking about.
>> senators john mccain and lindsey graham 's scathing response to paul 's nearly 13-hour --
>> i thought it was rather insulting for the way that these gentlemen responded to this.
>> your words, senator, john mccain and senator lindsey graham fighting vehemently to defend president obama 's policy. it was a little disorienting.
>> joining me right now is senator bernie sanders of vermont, a member of the senate budget committee . sir, good to have you here. we start with what politico is putting out as the headline. grand bargain back with a question mark . we look at what paul ryan said after lunch with the president, where i think hope is being borne from. everyone needs to be part of this conversation. we need an open debate about how best to balance the budget and expand opportunities. so, sir, outside of the lines of the continuing resolution coming out of the house side. what you month would you guesstimate that we mae get the grand bargain?
>> the issue is not the grand bargain. the issue is what's in the grand bargain. when you have growing inequality, 100% of all new income generated, when you have the middle class disappearing, if you're going to talk about any serious budget, what you have to understand is that we must protect in my view, the elderly, children, sick and poor, all of them are hurting in this bad recession form those are the folks who will have to continue. if we're talking about a so-called grand bargain which would cut social security medicare, medicate, and not ask one out of four large corporations to pay zero in taxes today to start paying, that's not a grand bargain that i think the american people would support.
>> do you think that the white house or the president is being overly optimistic about any of the personality, observations that we're all making about thinks dinner dates and lunch dates, that something could be moved toward a july timeline? are we just putting too much of the cart before the horse?
>> well, if we reach an agreement tomorrow or next week, what is important is what is in that agreement. at the the president is talking with mr. ryan about cutting social security when social security has nothing to do with the deficit and we have tens of millions struggling to keep their heads above water that's not a grand bargain that the american people want. if you're cutting benefits for disabled veterans, which is what the so-called changed cpi does, or raising taxes on working people , that is a bad bargain . what we have got to fight for and what the american people have been very clear with poll after poll, is that we're lose -- bank in tax havens , we have to fix those loopholes. thomas, i'm not concerned about whether you have a grand bargain tomorrow july or in september, the question is what is fair? when they're doing phenomenally well and the effective tax rates are very, very low, we have to ask them to contribute significant retch, and, by the way, job crazy. real unemployment over 14%.
>> senator, i want your take on the republican on republican dissension on the drone program and the filibuster that rand paul , everybody comparing to your fills buster of 2010 a lot of people are talking about what specifically he was talking about. taking on rand paul , and taking him to task for the observations though he was making. this was all an attempt to keep john brennan from being appointed, which he was.
>> why not join in the filibuster.
>> right now i'm working on global warming , trying to see that congress does somebody, working on a budget, working on health care issues. i voted again mr. brennan, because i have a serious concern not what senator paul is talking about, but the united states of america , barack obama will bomb san francisco with drones. that's total fantasy, but i do have a concern about how we fight terrorism while protecting the constitutional rights of the american people . and i think the cia has not always been there. i kind of want to send a message to the white house about those concerns. the grand vote was 3-34. senator bernie sanders , great to have you on, as always. thank you.
>> thank you very much.
>>> coming up, maverick versus rand paul and the rising star that senator might have as we see senator john mccain and lindsey graham , as we just mentioned. they were getting pushback to taking to the floor to slam rand paul .
>>> plus signed it, but now he wants the supreme court to overturn it. we're going to talk with former fob david mixner . that leads to the question of the day for you -- what do you think of bill clinton 's about-face on doma? [ female