msnbc | February 03, 2013
>>> the right to own guns and use them in self-defense is argued in the fight. an article in slate, they are taking a pro-gun advocate to task for her view that is easier access to firearms makes women safer. she joins me in studio. thanks for being here. the independent forum told the senate here on gun control women need access to assault weapons . here is her explanation as you laugh, let's listen.
>> research shows that in jurisdictions with concealed carry laws, women are less likely to be raped or murdered than they are in states with more restrictions on gun ownership . if we ban these types of assault weapons , you are putting women at a great disadvantage, more so than men because they do not have the same type of physical strength and opportunity to defend themselves in a hand-to-hand struggle.
>> okay. characterize her comments and tell me how they stack up to reality.
>> well, gayle trotter was telling the story of violence against women that implied intruders breaking into your house and fighting them off with a gun. the bigger the gun the better. it's an act by people they know, men they know.
>> domestic violence .
>> yeah. a lot of it. a woman is six times more likely to be killed by a husband, a boyfriend or ex-partner than she is by an intruder.
>> okay. is there anything that she gave in her testimony that you do agree with?
>> not particularly. i mean, she may have -- she was using a narrow statistic about conceal carry. that doesn't really relate to how many guns there are out there. most gun owners don't have conceal carry licenses. states that have more gun ownership have more higher homicide rates.
>> to contradict what she was saying, your article says more guns put women in danger. explain what you mean by that.
>> think of it clearly. i think trotter was talking having a gun in the home. for women in a domestic violence situation, there's nothing more dangerous than having a gun in the home.
>> the guy usually has the gun?
>> the person who is willing to be vital is more likely to grab the gun.
>> meaning, less likelihood of a woman being able to wrestle the gun away. you have laughing because you don't think it's likely?
>> it's not likely. as gayle said, men are bigger and stronger, on average. also, if your husband or boyfriend is veesive toward you, it's easy for him to emotionally dominate you and control you. it's difficult to bring yourself in a fight over a gun and go off in the struggle.
>> "the washington post " agrees with your opinion as we bring up something to read here. the quote is the latest weapon in the war against restrictions on access to gun is the straw. don't fall for her. clam mor for gun control methods for expanded background checks . you know, we heard wayne lapierre say this is just being used as a way for the president to take away gun rights . as a woman, where do you stand on this?
>> background checks are incredibly important when talking domestic violence because men who have been convicted of domestic violence are not allowed to own or buy guns. because of the gun show loophole, they can go to a gun show and buy one a lot of the time.
>> amanda, a great discussion. thank you for the article. appreciate it.