msnbc | November 24, 2012
>>> for more on egypt and the situation in gaza , i'm joined by journalist and msnbc contributor rula jabril. good morning to you.
>> good morning, alex.
>> so let's talk about president morsi, who proved to be an adept negotiator in brokering the cease-fire. but does he have the motivation to really crack down on hamas and the militant groups, and hold them to peace?
>> i think there's a misconception of morsi's role. i don't think morsi sees himself as the police man that will control hamas . he sees himself as a mediator, as a negotiator, and he would love to be the one that would eventually broker a peace deal. he doesn't want to control hamas militarily. he would like to negotiate with israel, and with them, and be included in any u.s. bilateral negotiation eventually. but he will not be the policeman. i mean, we need to forget the idea that we will control hamas militarily.
>> but, if hamas gets out of control, doesn't it have detrimental effect on egypt ? isn't it in his interest to ensure the security of hamas , and keep things quiet and calm in, you know, the gaza strip and elsewhere?
>> i think he needs to keep quiet and calm in his own country, in his -- at home. he has -- he's trying to put himself above the law and he's trying to ensure more power saying to the people trust me, i am the revolution, i am the guy that, you know, gets rid of mubarak and he's becoming a second mubarak . so it will be very challenging for him to keep quiet at home, and i'm repeating this. he does not see himself as the policeman for hamas . he's actually supportive of hamas , supportive of their national identity , now their exploration for freedom and dignity. look all around the arab world people protest to get rid of regimes. we're asking the palestinians , whether in west bank or gaza , to ignore their pride to have freedom and live in dignity.
>> you talk about him evolving into a second hosni mubarak . is it because of this power grab that he has right now that's returning to the strong-arm tactics of mubarak , which he says himself would be temporary, but of course you've got to wonder, once someone gets that kind of power, how do they cede that, how do they return to not having it, which i guess is the big question there?
>> yeah, this is such a -- this is a great question, alex. temporary. i mean, mubarak said temporary for how many years? 30 years almost? and i will, you know, live the martial law , i will give more power, i will give more power, i just need to do this, and you snow, it took him three decades to do that. and the people had to go in the streets, being killed by the police, protesting for days and weeks and weeks, and in the end, they get rid of him. morsi has to understand that people that put him in power, actually who won his revolution, were the people of egypt , and not the muslim brotherhood . and if he doesn't understand that, and he doesn't understand that everyone in any country has to be subjected to the rule of law, because this is the basics for democracy, that it's not a democracy anymore. if he doesn't understand this quickly, he will miss -- he misjudged who are the egyptians are, what they stand for.
>> i want to get something, i'm reading your article you wrote about inevitable third infa todd today and it's going to be much worse than the one in 2000 . what is behind that?
>> it's ignoring the palestinian exploration for freedom, for democracy and for life of dignity. look the palestinians , whether they're in the west bank or in gaza they've been wanting for decades, since 1967 , to have some kind of country, or some kind of freedom, and live a decent life where they are not controlled by the israeli occupation . israel says they left gaza but in the end of the day , they left the center of gaza , but they control the borders, control the sea, they control the air space , and there's no trade with the west bank , whatsoever, they're strangling the economy. and this is what's building frustration. and this is why hamas is winning because they're exploiting this frustration of the palestinians . there's no military solution to gaza . it's only a political settlement that has to go through a negotiation with a p.a., palestinian authority , and hamas .
>> rula jebreal, thank you very much for weighing in on this situation. i appreciate it.