Morning Joe | January 28, 2013
>>> that was a scene from the oscar nominated documentary "the gatekeepers." joining us, the film's director dror moreh. this looks fascinating. set the scene for our viewers and the characters that it's based around.
>> it's the first time that six former heads are speaking openly of the conflict in the middle east between the israeli and palestinians from 1967 to today.
>> what are their revelations that are so surprising?
>> you learn a loft of things. you learn how this has been conduct, how much they sacrifice to maintain the security of israel . first and foremost you learn that the leadership of israel did not really want to strive for peace or really, really move towards peace as they should. and this is the most disturbing evidence that come from that movie.
>> all six of these leaders of israel 's secret service now, according to you and the movie, suggest they want to be more conciliatory towards the palestinians and they believe that'ses only way to secure israel 's long-term national security .
>> absolutely. much more than that i think that the main theme in the movie is what is strategy towards tactics. and i think that they basically are complaining that israel moved forward mostly tactically and not sftrategically, meaning to say they wouldn't see the outcome of the conflict and how we solve the conflict. they come from the center of defense of the establishment of israel , it's for the benefit of israel to solve the con police headquarters -- conflict and they should do anything to solve the conflict and basically are agreeing with obama completely.
>> we start from a standpoint of a jewish american . i don't think israel can go on for the next hundred years being an armed camp. eventually either economically or militarily that's not going to work.
>> absolutely. and what is the forecast for the israeli youngsters that are now in israel . what do you promise them? another hundred years of war? israel has to do that strategically. she has to move towards peace in every power that she can. the israeli leadership, the current one, doesn't seem to want that or to move towards that.
>> dror, explain the psychological make-up of the six men who ran the israeli secret service , who was responsible for hunting down and killing palestinians that were terrorists. what -- what is it about them that makes them all -- one of them said, quote, i think after retiring from this job you become a bit of a leftist. that's surprising. what is it about their makeup and their lives and experience that turned all six of these men into a, quote, leftist?
>> i think if there is something common to all of them it is the fact that they are pragmatists. they know power can lead you to a certain point and beyond that you need to find other solutions. if there is something that they understand basically is is that they worked very hard to maintain the security of israel and they've reached a point where they say enough.
>> do they think they can -- and this is not a hostile question, i'm curious what they think about dealing with hamas, who still is saying that israel must be destroyed and different into the sea.
>> at the end of the day they say you have to speak. you have to speak with everybody that is willing to speak. while you're speaking, you're not shooting. this is something that comes from hollywood. it comes from another way in hollywood but when you're speaking, you're not shooting. so if if there is something who is willing to speak to you, you speak. if i find out you don't eat glass and i don't drink petro, you have something in common and you speak. my father's house is six kilometers from ramallah . it's easier for me to come to los angeles to the oscars than to go to ramallah because i'm not allowed as an israeli citizen to go there. it's think when you're dealing with the human context, they could have solid the problems themselves much easier than the leaders. palestinian have never missed an opportunity to miss an opportunity.
>> let me just say he'd rather go, mika, rather to ramallah than the oscar ceremonies. they're dreadful. congratulations.