Let the veepstakes begin

>> was it a freudian slip ? florida senator marco rubio had quite the slip of a tongue at the news seeiam yesterday.

>> three, four, five, six seven years now, if i do a good job as vice president, i'm sorry. if i do a good job as a senator instead of vice president, i'll have a chance to do all sorts of things.

>> that is still cracking me up. ron foreigne is editor-in-chief. what is happening behind the scenes there? it was very clear this is on his mind.

>> yeah, it's very clear it's all on our minds. as soon as he said it, you cos hear the crowd cracking up. we ran 0 our twitter feeds and web sites and put it out there.

>> beyond that, you've been writing about the confidence, the lack of confidence in government institutions. it's the cover story in the national journal in nothing we trust. and you went to muncie , indiana and talked to johnny wit myer. let's talk about this man. he did ? his job. he paid his bills. his wife was partially disabled, got laid off by a state job, those budget cuts, governor mitch daniels had to make some cuts and this was one of the fallouts from it. they fell behind, they got a modified mortgage under the obama administration's program and then that was rejected. so they got billed the back payments, they ended up in bankruptcy. the bank had the house, he left the keys on the kitchen table and then the city got him on a citation for tall grass on a house that the bank then owned. what will do we say to people like this who have done their part and are now losing all faith in america?

>> you know, it's hard to explain it to people like him. i was talking to him at that house at 1900 west 10th street in south muncie , indiana . and he's out there cutting his grass hoping that will he would have a chance some dale to buy it back from the bank. here's a guy who every institution that should be protecting him, his city government , national government , the bank, the media, everyone in na town that should have been protecting him somehow didn't and yet he still has hope that maybe he can get his house back, that maybe at the very least he can not be fined $300 for weeds at his bank's house. the whole story that uses muncie to kind of show how all our institutions are letting all of us down, not just government, churches, schools, unions.

>> the secret service .

>> practically -- ? yeah. practically any pillar of our society right now is failing to adapt to these really gut wrenching and fast-moving it times. and the reason muncie works so well.

>> i was going to say in our nbc news " wall street journal " poll, we've got 59% of those questioned saying the country's going in the wrong direction, 33% think it's going in the right direction. that's what you found in muncie , as well.

>> exactly. and often people like you and me look at plos and think it's just about the politics, the president's not doing well but it's bigger than that. people mean everything is on the wrong track, their schools, churches, they go to dmv and can't get their license. everything around us just as johnny said, nothing seems to be working anywhere anytime. people are just tired of it.

>> how do people like that vote?

>> he do they want change? do they want a mitt romney ? do they see the hope in barack obama ? what did you pick up in terms of this election and these choices?

>> well, the same kind of thing i found in 2008 when i went back to muncie , this kind of tension, this kind of change asking actually affecting politics. washington's not impacting people out there. what's happening in society is affecting their vote. johnny voted for barack obama . he's one of the people in indiana that made barack obama the first democrat to win that state in a generation. he's also part of the white noneducated voting class that is very skeptical of president obama . and right now, he's very inclined to vote against the president having voted for him four years ago, he's very inclined to vote against him. he's not dead set against him. ? he's really not big on romney. he's not big on any of the politicians because politics have been letting him down. he's been swinging back and forth looking for somebody to get something right. from where he turns, somebody is kicking him in the butt.

>> it's a great piece. thanks for sharing it with us, ron. we hope something good happens for that family. thank you.

>> congressman pence, his congressman i know has reached out to him already.

>> that's great to hear. mike pence from indiana . thank you.