The Bush Dynasty to continue?

>>> we're back and talking about the republican hopefuls. the would-be contenders for the presidential election in 2016 . i want to look at the national journal poll which asks democrats and republicans about their interest in some of these contende contenders. might be a bit hard to say. jeb bush is leading both democrats and republicans in terms of who they think will be the strongest republican presidential nominee . nearly half of democrats saying that he is -- he would be their pick. marco rubio is at 40% with republicans . he's actually the strongest of the republican picks. but then chris christie there, again, very, very popular among democrats. not quite so much among republicans . bobby jindal , my governor is coming in there. the one i love is rand paul who comes in at zero percent for both democrats and republicans in terms of thinking about the strength of his likely candidacy. let's walk through some of those folks. starting with jeb bush . really? a third bush. i'd like to hear this.

>> i also think whether it's jeb bush or chris christie , this goes about the argument, you can't put someone of color up there to represent -- there has to be the platform, the policy, the messaging. these folks, jeb bush who is highly popular across urban centers , suburban centers, they have an appeal to minorities, as does chris christie . if you have the right messenger, you can still have that appeal without necessarily being a person of color as long as you understand those issues.

>> he hasn't been actually in-elected office for a while, but he's making education reform and viewers know what i think about that. he certainly is an interesting character. i keep thinking, won't the bush last name be a liability in this case?

>> maybe. but you know what, i have to say, i also -- i don't agree with all of his policies, but i have to give him a lot of credit. for two years, he's been telling the republican party they have to be more moderate and tone it down in immigration and recalibrate and nobody listened to him. he was like the lone wolf out there. i also give him credit -- i don't agree with the policies, but he's been talking a lot about education in his reforms. he likes one of his pet topics is income and equality. you don't hear republicans talking about that. those are the things that will resonate with independent voters. actually, i did see a poll recently in miami herald that showed that jeb bush was more popular among hispanics. jeb bush was more popular than rubio. it goes to your point. if you have a great message and someone who connects with the electorate. it doesn't mat --

>> the jack kemp style of republicans . jack kemp says -- he was a bleeding heart conservative. i like to consider, i cut myself on that same type of cloth. i think there is an appeal for that type of conservative going forward. i think it is what the party needs. the party has to decide that's what it needs to commit to. you will find popularity with he and chris christie and others like that because they have -- they rally around these policies that speak to the very heart of who we are as americans and then we can find common ground as democrats and republicans .

>> my governor, bobby jindal is actively running for president right now and claims to be like let's get away from the party of stupid. his policies are not the same sort of mid range softie compassionate policies of a jeb bush . they're more hard line .

>> you can also be -- people have to understand you can be compassionate and conservative.

>>> he's a mess.

>> he's not.

>> jeb bush is that way. bobby jindal is not. it would be a different direction to go.

>> the rising electorate that we've been talking about the last two weeks of african-americans, latinos, asian americans , at the end of the day , going issue by issue, most of the voters don't agree with the platform. there's going to be a problem for all of the potential candidates to actually connect. not just in terms of their faces and issues of diversity but also on the issues, on choice, on climate change, on immigration reform . even though there's a shift on immigration reform , i don't think latino voters will all of a sudden flock to the republican party .

>> we didn't get to mike fleck, is a state representative in pennsylvania who just came out making him the first out gay member of the republican party in pennsylvania. but i'm interested in part because that represents more libertarian impulse in the republican party , one that again feels like it's been sort of overshadowed by social conservatism in the past couple of years. i want to talk about that when we come back and that decision on friday that had all of us in nerdland shaking our heads in disbelief when we come back. [