2016 shaping up badly for Jindal, Rubio, Ryan

>> joining us is angela rye, political strategist and principal of impact strategies. ryan grim, washington bureau chief for "the huffington post " and msnbc contributor jonathan capehart of the " washington post ." it's only the middle of february 2013 and we have a slurry of individuals, bobby jindal , marco rubio , rand paul , paul ryan , but as far as jindal goes, he doesn't seem -- he seems to be having a hard time convincing voters in his own state. he only gets something like 37% of people in louisiana who want to support him. what do you think his prospects are to begin with?

>> first and foremost, i think it's a really bad idea to kind of poll or test policies on your state not paying attention to what really matters to the folks and the residents of louisiana. so i think he really has to get a better handle on what his state cares about right now. it's not school vouchers . it's not this new tax proposal he has. it's things that immediately matter like what's happening with the economy. i have no idea what bobby jindal is doing but he's a little off base here.

>> that's a fair condemnation. jonathan , paul ryan says he truly, honestly doesn't any if he's going to run for president in 2016 . if that's the case though, then maybe he should tell his friends because one of them recently told politico and i'm quoting that ryan has no interest in the sheer grind of campaigning. it's hard to see him having what it takes. jonathan , if that's how his friends are talking about him now, what will his enemies say if mr. ryan does decide to throw his hat in the ring?

>> well, they will say much worse, but if all the people we've been talking about as potential candidates, paul ryan is the one that has a legitimate claim to run. he's young, very smart, has his budget plan that's been passed twice and ignored an equal number of times.

>> and derided by virtually every economist who says the math doesn't add up but now he's going to reduce the deficit and achievements not in 30 but in 10 careers but carry on.

>> also add $6 trillion to the deficit.

>> that's a nice one.

>> leave that aside, he is the former vice presidential nom fi of t -- nominee of the party so he has a claim on running because he wants to run. because he's so young he could wait until 2024 if he wants.

>> this is very true. what about marco rubio , the so-called savior of the party according to "time" magazine. the players erer according to the national review .

>> i think what he's going to have a much harder time getting over is his record as a politician in the state of florida . and when that stuff starts to bubble up, it just won't allow him to be a national figure.

>> you don't mean, for example, supporting rick scott in suppressing the vote, do you?

>> you don't even have to go that far. it's just basic level stuff such as earmarking money tof fiu and then taking an unadvertised job with fiu. earmarking money to the law firm he was working. earmarking money to places he then went on to represent as a lobbyist himself. you know, he set up his own lobby firm. there's all kinds of dicey stuff that just lends itself to 30-second commercials and is the precise kind of pay to play stuff that can really damage somebody in a republican primary , especially with people who look much more squeaky clean like christie and jindal. those are like mccain level reform type folks. they will be able to hammer him on this basic issue of ethics.

>> we very much look forward to that. angela , what about rand paul ? he's got a ready-made constituency lined up for 2016 on the basis of his father. and, you know, what do you think of him? doesn't he have the best rationale for running?

>> i don't know if he does or if he doesn't. here is what i do know. i know rand paul has become the poster boy for tea party politics and tea party politics are going away quickly. forget 2016 . for 2014 the republicans have a party, if they don't undergo go a serious reformation like the church had to do, they have a major not only messaging problem, not only a branding problem but a policy problem. most of the country doesn't see high to eye with the rest of these potential candidates.

>> jonathan , what do you think of rand paul 's possibilities?

>> i don't. i agree with angela . you know, overall --

>> this is very disappointing. you have knocked every single one of them down. i put them all up. they can hardly complain we give them air time and you just eviscerate each one of them. one is corrupt, the other was hopeless and has no ideas, the other was a disastrous vice presidential run. where are we going?

>> somewhere else.

>> angela is right, the republican party doesn't just have a messaging problem, they have a policy problem. rand paul is on the far right of a party that is to the right of where the country is. the republicans like to say, especially after the last election, the last midterm election , that this is a, quote, center right nation. as we saw with the 2012 election, it's not a center right nation. if anything it's a center left or left of center nation but certainly squarely in the center and the republican party is far to the right of that.

>> okay. well, i think i have the answer, ryan . how about dr. ben carson ? now, he's really raised his profile among conservatives by attacking the president on health care and taxes. let's find out what he says about a possible future run.

>> are you going to get into politics?

>> it's not my intention to do that, but as i always say in every part of my life, i will leave that up to god.

>> that sounded far from ruling it out. thank you very much dr. ben carson . appreciate your time.

>> ryan .

>> hey, you know, far be it from me to predict the future but it me it seems like a sign of serious desperation if they're gravitating around a person who has never held any public office and nobody has ever heard of them up until, you know, a couple weeks ago. so, you know, i just don't see how this becomes a presidential campaign by 2016 , but what it goes to show is that our analysis of the other four we talked about, you know, most of the republican base agrees with it, that those are not national figures. so they know who it is that wants 2016 and they have decided that those folks just don't have a shot at it and so maybe this is the guy.

>> is it possible, angela , that god may speak to dr. carson and persuade him to go ahead?

>> i think god can speak to anyone, but the last thing i know about dr. ben carson , to ryan 's point, i actually do know who he is, gifted hands is a wonderful book. i'm sure it was a better movie, i didn't see it, but i am not sure about his future in elected office. i wish him the best in whatever he decides to do, but they just need to get together and -- maybe they need another retreat.

>> yes, okay. angela rye, ryan grim, and jonathan capehart, you have destroyed them all but