Martin Bashir | January 29, 2013
>> let's get right to it. we're joined by msnbc contributor joy reid, managing editor of thegrio.com. and " washington post 's" political reporter nia- malika henderson and the great ron meier , spokesman for american majority action. thank you for joining us. joy, the republicans have always said they are for limited government.
>> are they also for unlimited whining, crying?
>> i think the decent thing to do is for us to all chip in and buy blankets for everyone. everyone gets a blankie. i have never seen so much whining and moaning and crying. it's pathetic. the conservative movement has always supposedly been the macho movement in american politics , but now they are the whining movement in american politics . their entire indictment of barack obama is, he's mean! that's pathetic.
>> are you serious?
>> yes, she is serious, ron . we just saw one of our fellow conservatives talking about the president's plan to outlaw fox news. actually all the president pointed out and i'm quoting was that if a republican member of congress is not punished by fox news or by rush limbaugh for working with a democrat on a bill of common interest, then you'll see more of them doing it. which i don't know, ron , sounds pretty obvious to me, but are you also losing sleep at night because you're afraid the president wants to take away your fox news and your guns?
>> you know, i'm very happy to come on msnbc and say thank god for fox news. the fact of the matter is without fox news we'd still think that benghazi , that that attack, that terrorist attack happened because of a video. without katherine and special report and the hard news people. by the way, they have more hard news people than msnbc, cnn, and everybody else --
>> sorry, ron , ron , ron , i accept your analysis on benghazi . don't forget also we wouldn't have had the invented simultaneous video feed that they claimed on fox news was occurring and that people in the white house were ignoring. so let's not be entirely disingenuous.
>> we don't know because no one in the media will ask the president and hillary clinton --
>> the press spokesman has been asked and they have all said there was no such thing. n nia- malika --
>> where was the president during benghazi ?
>> let other people contribute. there have been momentous changes going on lately at fox news, especially the departure of reality tv personality sarah palin . let's hear what conservative intellectual david frum says about this.
>> who says he's conservative?
>> in tandem with the fact that glenn beck is taken off. as they have backed away from hip and other characters -- the whole network is an exercise in going too far but as they retreated from those who went farthest, i think this is a milestone as well.
>> i was under the impression it wasn't possible to embarrass fox news but maybe it is.
>> one of the things that was most interesting is fox news was sort of against itself in the last minutes when they were calling ohio and karl rove almost himself had a bit of a tantrum saying that there was no way that ohio could have gone for president obama , megan kelly had to go back there and talk to the folks who actually had the facts and say, in fact, that ohio did, in fact, go to president obama . i think there is some soul searching going on there. i think that's correct. in 2011 with that exit of glen beck , who, of course, went on to his own network. and now with sarah palin , kind of the declining fortunes of the tea party and this inability of the tea party and the conservative right to find purchase and find a wider audience. you know, rush limbaugh 's power is in this called 20 million viewer -- listeners that he has. i don't know if it's 20 million, 15 million. it might be 2 million. but i think democrats have been very expert at putting rush limbaugh and fox news at the head of the party, and you haven't seen much push back from republicans. in fact, you see ruby, of course, going out there today and sort of going to rush limbaugh and offering his immigration plan.
>> you're going to go after fox news for having a ton of viewer. the competitor show to this has about four times as many viewers. then you're going to go after fox news for making the first prediction on ohio . so, yeah, they had karl rove --
>> ron , ron , ron --
>> you can go after fox news all you want --
>> you're hyperventilating. nobody is going after fox. i'm just trying to address the facts and they are as follows. mr. karl rove got it disastrously and diametrically wrong --
>> and joe who also works for fox got it exactly right.
>> joe wasn't on screen at the time.
>> final word to you, joy.
>> i think it is true, fox news has a lot of viewers. part of the problem is their average age is 103 and they're all sitting around believing in their deepest of hearts because the experts, the crack journalists over there, were telling them that romney was going to win.
>> that romney had it sewn up.
>> that all the polls were skewed, that reality was not reality.
>> bureau of labor statistics skewed.
>> all skewed. and all the data had a liberal bias . if they just skewed. properly, people would understand truth.
>> i don't understand this.
>> one minute, ron .
>> the glass bubble was burst by the election. and so the reality that's rushing in on conservatives now is that most people don't want to voucherize medicare, most people don't want to cut school lunches. people like social security and you know what, darn it, people are okay with immigrants.
>> guess what? they elected this president and then re-elected him. our thanks to joy reid, nia nia- malika henderson and the