AMA: We can get the votes to fire Boehner as Speaker

>>> a war on of two fronts over the fiscal cliff. on one side it's him versus the president. on the other it's speaker boehner versus his own party. one of the leaders of this fight is american majority action and we're delighted to say that the group alexander spokesman joins us now, ron meier . good afternoon.

>> thanks for having me on.

>> great to have you ron . you've endorsed three different candidates, i believe, for speaker, jim jordan , jeb hensarling , and tom price . mr. price says in a statement he's not running, but can you tell our audience why are you so sick and tired of speaker boehner ?

>> well, there's really two big reasons and they happened in the last two weeks that really have been the nail in the coffin . one is the tax hikes. he's proposed basically to raise taxes on charities and job creators and he thinks that that's where his starting point is with president obama .

>> hold on a second. let's be factual. i think what he said was that he was open to $800 billion in revenues but he did not specify the deductions.

>> the only way you could get $800 billion in deductions is to go after the charitable deduction and the mortgage deduction. you're going to go after charities. salvation army said yesterday that they have had the biggest crowds coming in that they've ever seen. we're going to go after charities right now? i don't think that's the best place to be. i think what we need to start at is a place where we believe, we think taxes should be cut. that's what reagan did in a recession and guess what? by the end of his term, revenue doubled. we created 20 million jobs and youth unemployment dropped 43%. that's what we should start with.

>> you're saying you don't like speaker boehner because he's considering putting revenues on the table. you actually believe there should be a tax cut .

>> well, the question is also -- you know, i think there should be a tax cut . we're in a recession, people my age can't find work.

>> i understand that, ron . i'm not going to dispute that. we want to be clear. what you're saying is the president wins election, the presidential election , and he wins it on a debate about taxes, post-election exit polling reveals that in excess of 60% of americans support his view that taxes on the top 2% should go up, but your position is, no, we should cut taxes.

>> the problem is you think we lost on messaging. i think we lost on tactics. the left knocked on doors, went to communities and talked to them. all the right does is try to use ads and robocalls to try to make our message. the most annoying tactics possible and we think people will believe what we're saying. i don't think people think that the job creators aren't doing enough, they need to be paying more, that we need to go out and say this is the employers fault and think that's going to create jobs. people my age, we are looking for work and we know that we don't get jobs from the government because they're controlled by unions. we want real jobs in the private economy.

>> but, ron , don't you think you're being a little bit harsh on the speaker. give the man credit. you know, he spent four years opposing everything the president tried to accomplish. he opposed the american jobs act that economists say would have created almost 2 million jobs and added a whole percentage point to economic --

>> the american jobs act that the senate didn't pass?

>> he's done an excellent job on crushing almost everything the president has tried. i mean surely you're delighted with speaker boehner .

>> let's be clear, the senate democrats have done everything to stop president obama . the moderates in the senate, the 13 that are up in 2014 haven't passed a darn thing because they can't run on it. that's who is stopping this. you can say boehner , any republican would stand up to obama's radical agenda, but the thing -- the fact of the matter is so are the senate democrats , so are the moderates running. they're saying don't bring that up. we're not going to vote on that. don't bring up a budget we know we'll lose. a budget that never balances isn't going to work.

>> we know how brilliantly paul ryan did during the presidential campaign and his magnificent two budgets but we'll put that to one side. you need 16 members to abstain from voting.

>> and actually i talked to the house parliamentarian. we need them to vote for someone because of house precedent.

>> can you get that number?

>> they can vote anybody for speaker.

>> can you get that number, ron ? can you get that number?

>> if speaker boehner agrees to raise taxes, especially on charities and job creators, yes, we can get that number. we will get that number and he will not be speaker if he agrees to raise taxes with president obama . i have talked to activists across the kun and they are already fired up at john boehner . if he agrees to this, it's over. we want someone who cares about job creation . who cares about getting people my age and young americans back to work. frankly, i don't think if john boehner is starting at we need to raise taxes and barely cut entitlement spending, i don't think that's going to work with us. no.

>> thank you so much. i should pension that the president actually was at the daimler factory announcing more jobs and more expansion. he's very much in support of job creation . thank you so much, sir.