Martin Bashir | December 03, 2012
>>> arizona governor jan brewer is jabbing her finger in the president's face again and again. she's challenging the president on two fronts, immigration and the affordable care act . on immigration brewer has refused to issue driver's licenses to young people recently granted protection from deportation by the president. the group of civil rights organizations has filed suit in response. on health care governor brewer has informed the federal government that it's up to them to set up health exchanges for the state's uninsured. states rights surrendered quite conveniently. we're back with anna marie and jonathan . the arizona republic found over 39,000 licenses and even state i.d.s were issued since 2006 to noncitizens who were presented federally issued employment authorizations. so is this another attempt by brewer to initial young immigrants who find themselves in this country, of course, through no fault of their own or does she just enjoy wagging her finger at the president?
>> i don't know why that's a binary choice, martin.
>> i apologize. that's not a nonsec nonnon sequitur.
>> i think she knows how to get in the paper. she represents a segment of the republican party that they should be ashamed of. and that they're going to have to deal with at some point. like she cannot be someone who is the future of the gop, let's face it. this is the kind of thinking that alienated so many lahtino voters and anyone who thinks about the dream act .
>> jonathan , on the issue of health care , brewer has decided against creating a state-run health insurance exchange to implement, as you know, a key part of the president's federal law . how is that likely to go over with the nearly i think it's 20% of residents in her state that have no health insurance ?
>> well, it shouldn't go over well, and we'll see whether that 20% rises up and says, look, this is the law. you have to follow the law. also i wonder if there's anything, anything that the federal government can do to get miss brewer -- governor brewer to do right by the citizens of her state.
>> governor brewer hosted the western governors association winter meeting this weekend, yet when she delivered her keynote speech on the subject of energy, only two of her fellow governors showed up. maybe they'd heard her answer a report aers question about climate change .
>> everybody has an opinion on it, you know, and, you know, i probably don't believe that it's manmade. i believe that, you know, that weather and certain elements are controlled maybe by different things.
>> controlled by different things. do you think she spent too much time in the sunshine?
>> different things, martin. you know, i think maybe this is a good sign again for the gop if her fellow governors are kind of running away from her. someone is getting the signal that the kinds of attitudes she puts forward are pretty toxic. there was a time when things like climate change or immigration were really divisive and you had huge chunks of the american public doubtful about them but that's changing, as our demographics change, those opinions change. people are starting to want, even from conservatives, they want common sense solutions. they may not want the kind of solutions democrats present but they want these things addressed.
>> but marco rubio was not able to give a definitive answer on the answer of climate change , was he? she's not entirely isolated.
>> no. i do think -- we'll see -- i'm just like, yeah, you're right, no. progress, progress, not perfection.
>> jonathan ?
>> but, martin, here is the problem with jan brewer and senator rubio for that matter. remember, both on climate change and on immigration, their leaders in the republican party who were leading on this, remember president george w. bush was leading on immigration, so was senator john mccain , both on immigration and on climate change . the fact that the republican party has gotten away from sensible positions on both those issues shows how far down the rabbit hole the republican party has fallen.
>> okay. well, politico reports governor brewer has met with casino magnate sheldon adelson amid talks she may run for president, yes, in 2016 . stop laughing. he was such a big help to mitt romney , i suppose jan brewer might be the right logical choice next. after all, he's only spent, what was it? $150 million on this election? john?
>> go ahead, john.
>> go ahead, ana marie. i'm dumbfounded by the fact --
>> you're speechless?
>> i'm speechless.
>> jan brewer , presidential timber. are you out of your mind? there's no way. i mean --
>> i say jan brewer 2016 . ana marie cox and jonathan capehart. thank you so much.