Martin Bashir | November 28, 2012
>> let's get right to our panel now. krystal ball is co-host of "the cycle" ask taure also co-host. one hour is clearly not enough for you.
>> not enough for you.
>> no, i love you both. you believe the house republicans, the way they broke for the president, that they would choose when they appoint committee chairs to have diversity but, in fact, every single chair is a white male . can you explain that?
>> you would think to also note asians went for obama . gay americans went for obama . women went for obama --
>> but the republican party continues with the old, white men.
>> they don't understand the demography. they don't understand identity issues in general. i see a difficult time just even having twitter conversations with them about identity. anything you say that notices race it becomes a discussion. you're racist. noticing race doesn't mean you're a racist. look, many studies have shown that diversity in and of itself is positive for a body. having different people from different backgrounds helps the body come to a better position.
>> that's what the evidence suggests.
>> overwhelmingly so. they don't realize that. i don't know how many black and brown faces do they have in their caucus so they're able to put at the head of committees.
>> they have a few. what's your reaction to this?
>> i see lots of diversity there. you've got beige. you've got eggshell. you've got ivory. there's a wide spectrum -- no, i mean, they do not have a lot of women . they do not have a lot of minorities in their caucus. they do have some, though. i would think given the fact they have broadly recognized they got trounced with my noerlt groups and they need to make a move to afeel a broader demographic. you would think they would be cognizant of this. it reminds me of when darrell issa held a committee hearing about birth control and didn't allow any women on the panel.
>> on the first panel.
>> did you just not think about it? how did you end up with horrible situation?
>> part of what's happening, too, is that we see that white voters in general are not voting for black candidates. the president is one example out of thousands of elections we've had. it's very rare for a black candidate or a brown candidate to emerge out of a mostly white district or area or state. in general white voters are not doing that. until white voters become more comfortable with electing black, brown or yellow faces to congress, to the senate, to governor's imaginemansions then we'll have candidates, politicians who look like america.
>> right. krystal, focusing on men for a moment, we've noticed that one particular network has something called a war on men. this is a sociological theory introduced ed od on "fox nation" and blaming women for the fact that some men can't find wives. now the folks at "fox and friends" are discussing this with a very special guest.
>> do you find women aren't acting like women anymore and men are not acting like men anymore?
>> oh, i think that's true with some men and some women but not for everybody. i don't to want to get into that silly conversation. people that like complain about that a lot --
>> in the words of dolly parton , i don't want to get into that silly conversation. let's let people who like to bitch a lot talk about that stuff. i don't think i could have said that any better.
>> a few people on this planet i love more than dolly parton . i love her. she nailed it right there. this is an argument that's been made for decades. it's women 's fault -- that women in the workplace, it's going to hurt our society. it's going to be bad for men. we are meant to be in the home with the family and the whole world will be turned upside down. now, i thought it was a debate we had moved past, but apparently some of our friends at another network feel this is an ongoing debate that needs to be heard.
>> another example of how they have a difficult time dealing with identity issues, whether it's race or gender. they come to it like children to physics. like they don't know how to deal with it at all. these geneizatie generalizations aren't m en because they don't act like john wayne and women aren't women because they don't act like ward cleaver and -- i don't understand that. we are in what people call a "he-session" because more men have lost work than women in the recession. women gaining economic power is good for both genders. it's good for the entire country. like, why are we fighting against that?
>> is it possible that they lost the war on women so now they're starting a new war on men?
>> i think they're always looking for a war on something to rile up their people. i mean, normally this time of year is when the war on christmas gets rolled out, which i think they're -- that's also going on.
>> we'll be addressing the war on christmas very soon.
>> yes. i think it's a way to play to the folks who voted for mitt romney , frankly. free do predominantly, white, older men who feel like their life is slipping away. in bill o 'reilly's phrase --
>> we should talk about that tomorrow on "the cycle" which airs at 3 p.m . on msnbc.
>> thank you for that. we had lloyd blankfein of goldman sachs in washington, he's lobbying to keep his taxes low. he has a pension pot of around $1.9 million. and republicans are talking about protecting small business . but it's really, is it not, protecting big business ? that's what this is about, is it?
>> of course. the number of small businesses and we're talking about the tax cuts being raised for those making over $250,000. only 3% of small businesses fall into that category. everybody, of course, experiences the benefit from that first $250,000 tax rate cut. so it really is just propaganda. you know, it's making americans feel like it's small businesses being hurt. it's really coming out of people who can afford to pay a little more in taxes. any time you cut the deficit, which is something republicans have been pushing, it is economically painful. that's kansian economics. you need to find the place where it will do the least hurt to the economy but that's where they say we can cut it here and it will do the least pain to the economy.
>> this is the party of the wealthy. talking about their concern for small business . i want to break out the tiny violin. they're brilliant coming up with the term "job creator" which really means what? super rich guy or just rich guy. it's politically painful. job creator sounds valuable. it's more pc. sort of like death panel. they have a good way of coming up with these terms that are politically -- that sound good politically --
>> as ever, thank you both.