Martin Bashir | November 20, 2012
>>> let's get to our panel now. toure is the co-host of the cycle and my msnbc colleague and msnbc contributor jonathan capehart is with us at the " washington post ." toure , mr. o'reilly now says that those who make less than $30,000 won this election for the president because they were looking forward to free stuff. is it now the poor who are destroying what about o'reilly calls traditional america ?
>> apparently. i'm glad he's so brilliant that he finally figured out the key to why mitt romney lost. it was the poor who unseated one of the richest men in america . talk about david defeating goliath. oh, my god. so happy that happened. look, the gop has been defending the wealthy and attacking the poor for many, many years. do you think they're going to suddenly come home and vote for the gop after all these years of running their business like that? you know, look, it's not about free stuff. we want to protect personal liberty and use government to uplift people, to change their lives in better ways and protect the most --
>> free stuff, free stuff.
>> protect the most vulnerable people in america .
>> free stuff.
>> isn't government supposed to help people?
>> no, stre stuff.
>> when you talk to them about it, they call it pandering. we call it improving people's lives.
>> yeah, free stuff. jonathan , thinks may only get worse for republicans if they've read your column. you point out that every month for the next 20 years 50,000 hispanics will turn 18 and become eligible to vote. will any of them vote republican?
>> well, right now 18% of registered latino voters are republican. 51% are democrats. but if you ask the question based on ideology, 54% of them are conservatives, 39% of them are liberal, and even though 54% of them are conservative, remember, 71% of the latino vote went to president obama . so unless and until the republican party can figure out a way to appeal to the latino community --
>> how about stop insulting people?
>> well, i'm getting to that. appeal to latinos without insulting them and also without putting up candidates and people as window dressing, one, and, two, thinking that the only thing that they need to do to appeal to the hispanic community is to do immigration.
>> or say the name marco rubio .
>> yes, marco rubio or coming --
>> yes, exactly.
>> susana martinez. just say names.
>> just say the napejames.
>> marco rubio is this new name, this jesus that's going to save the party. you can't just put a brown face on hostile policies and expect people are going to vote against their interests. the other thing is how old is the earth thing? here once again the anti-factual, anti-scientific right coming back. i didn't expect it from marco rubio . i thought he was in the modern world and the real world . no, he too, lives in the alternate reality.
>> the conservative entertainment complex , john, keeps coughing up stories like this one on "the daily caller" all about how the homeland security department has a web page which helps new legal immigrants get welfare benefits. this has sent some people into ap plexy.
>> if you want to come to the united states and work and make our nation better while making yourself better, come on. we got legal immigration as marco rubio said. if you're coming here because someone figured out i want to live in america , everything is free in in america , no country in the world says send us your debt beats.
>> does that sound like the right tone for republicans to be taking? send us your dead beats?
>> no, that's not the right tone at all, not at all. what are we supposed to do -- you notice it's legal immigrants. what are we supposed to do, let them just starve, be homeless, don't help them if they're in trouble? it's this sort of, i don't know, darwinism, if you will, on the conservative right that i think is just corrosive to the overall republican party , and it will remain a regional party as long as folks like that guy that there keep saying those things without someone stepping up, without a grown-up stepping up and saying enough.
>> he's absolutely right.
>> send us your dead beats.
>> they're looking like a regional party on "the cycle" which airs at 3:00 on msnbc --
>> how many times have i told you not to mention --
>> every single time and then i always do.
>> don't complain when you don't come on here again. the map of 1864 the confederacy except for florida and virginia, it's exactly the same. that coalition retains to this day that's the regional party they're becoming. very interesting piece in the new yorker talking about the potential for texas to become blue in the next few cycles, and if that happens, then the democrats start over 270, i think jonathan can do the math in his head, and forget it. then you're just a minority party we would study in political science classes.
>> this afternoon you and i were discussing some things that have been part of this republican campaign and we talked about the jim crow era .
>> how much of that rhetoric has been as it were reignited this time around.
>> it was full of it this time. i think if you look at the bush campaign , the bush years, did he a lot of things badly, but he was embracing of latinos. he wasn't overtly in terms of rhetoric negative toward blacks. i think he took it to a much more subtle level. romney brought it back. he's making birtherism jokes, sending john sununu out in say crazy things, rick santorum saying whatever he said about blah people. so the party was saying this about black people , about brown people , self-deportation, these sort of things. when they're saying it about barack obama , black people and brown people read it as about themselves, that barack obama is not american enough, he's lazy, playing too much golf.
>> the point i was going to jump off something toure said about president george w. bush . i remember during that campaign every day on the front page of the newspaper there was a picture of george bush hugging a black child , usually a very beautiful black child every day. and it got to the point where it was like what's he communicating? and the communication was, remember, his whole campaign was about compassionate conservatism.