Martin Bashir | November 16, 2012
>> i have toure , my colleague, with me, and also msnbc contributor jonathan capehart of the " washington post ." toure , we were talking earlier about the conspiracy theories that are flying, the so-called benghazi cover-up that senators mccain and graham are upset about. they say it's bigger than watergate.
>> whoa, that's huge. oh, my goodness. well, there must be some evidence to suggest that, right?
>> there must be.
>> oh, wait, there's none so the right begins with this thesis that this is a scandal of epic proportions and their evidence is we have questions, and those questions are not being answered, and as john than knnathan knows, questions are not evidence. i don't understand how they make that leap. this is a complex cia operation that was interrupted by a terrorist attack . the cia is never going to tell you everything that they are doing or did as they should not. but that allows a lot of innuendo room for the right to say, see, we're not getting answers, not getting transparency. you can't because it's an intelligence community . they can't tell you everything. stop making it a scandal when you begin with the idea it's a scandal and then we're going to fill in backwards the details.
>> the crime of watergate was much bigger than a mere burglary as you know. it was about richard nixon 's attempt to rig an election and subvert the democratic process itself. are these guys such fanatics that they've forgotten the basic facts of their own country's history?
>> thank you.
>> to put it shortly, yes, they have. martin, i assume you do and toure , i live in the reality-based community.
>> and i really wish that senators graham and mccain and others would immigrate over here to our side because susan rice -- this whole focus is on u.n. ambassador susan rice and what she said on the sunday shows saying that this -- the demonstrations that happened that led to the ultimate attack on the consulate in benghazi was a spontaneous demonstration from people upset about that video. now, what we know and have known for at least a couple weeks now, she was -- rice was speaking off the talking points provided to her and the house intelligence committee from the intelligence community , from the cia. and let me just read this one thing. the currently available information suggests that the demonstrations in benghazi were spontaneously inspired by the protests at the u.s. embassy in cairo and evolved into a direct assault against the u.s. post in benghazi and subsequently its annex. the last thing is the investigation is ongoing and the u.s. government is working with the libyan authorities to bring to justice those responsible for the deaths of u.s. citizens . that's reality.
>> conspiracy, conspiracy, conspiracy.
>> the president's most passionate moment of the week is his moment when he was defending susan rice in the press conference. he seemed like i'm standing up to a bully. he stepped out of that professorial aloof poos tour we sometimes think he's in. he seemed very animated.
>> he was exactly the same in that presidential debate when he is accused of not labeling this a terrorist attack and he was fuming again in front of mitt romney .
>> you want a problem come to me because i'm the problem, not the u.n. ambassador. but by the way, john mccain who wants to challenge susan rice 's probity in these sort of things, where was he when they did the classified hearing about benghazi yesterday? he couldn't make it because he had a previously scheduled engagement to give a press conference to dis the president. does he really care about the facts or does he want to say in the alternate reality . jonathan, you're probably like me, we're not giving them a green card to immigrate to the reality away from the alternate reality .
>> is mr. mccain operating in reality?
>> no. you're not operating in reality if you're reading the information we already have that's already available and you're still whipping up conspiracy theories and weaving tall tales out of nothing. as toure pointed out, senator mccain , how about you actually be in the hearings to hear what's been going on and happening instead of standing in front of the cameras and beating poor susan rice to death. it makes no sense and it's irresponsible.
>> it's clear that john mccain is all about sour grapes right now as we often say on our show "the cycle" which airs at 23 o'clock on msnbc.
>> you're not come on here