Romney speech fails fact-check test

>>> swing states like ohio pose something of a problem for mitt romney and i don't just mean the comparatively small number who turned out to hear him speak today. no, the xhik resurgence in the buckeye state over the last few years done quite fit the false characterization of the president that romney 's been selling. unemployment there is down almost three full percentage points in last two years due in part to the return of manufacturing jobs, which are up 42,000 since their november 2009 low. but romney isn't one to let facts get in the way of a good nairive.

>> the president said that if we let them borrow $787 billion for a stimulus he'd keep unemployment below 8%.

>> new york sorry, mitt, never happened. not once has the president ever said that to anybody anywhere on any occasion. but that wasn't mitt's only lie on this day.

>> 44 different trade agreements negotiate by client na and european nations with other nations around the world. guess how many trade agreements our president's negotiated? none.

>> funny, what's this? it's the president in october signing a trade agreement with south korea , clo coma. his negotiations were with congress over the treaty. much that's will be once the negotiations of a trans-pacific partnership called bigger than nafta are finishes. tall tales seem to be getting to mitt's head because he's starting to talk as if he thinks he's paul bunion.

>> if i'm president on day one we're going to get the approvel from that pipeline from canada and if i have to build it myself to get it here, i'll get that oil into america.

>> back with us, david, clarence, crystal. david to paraphrase groucho marx , how does romney get ohio to trust him?

>> you know, don't evaluate me, don't -- listen, even in ohio where things are doing better than nationally and -- not complete turnaround but going in the right direction there are people who are out of work and they want things to be better. you know things can always be better economically. so mitt romney will prey upon that and say they would have been better, a lot better, had i been president four years ago and done -- and let detroit go bankrupt for whatever he might have done. he'll say that over and over and that's a point you can't prove or disprove, and it's again, you know, getting people worked up about things not being better than they.

>> crystal i normally have attributed the highest ethical standards to mormons but this man in this speech is beginning to sound like a pathological liar . he just seems incapable of telling the truth.

>> well, it goes far beyond this speech. recall he said repeatedly that the president went around the world apologizing for america and he made the recession worse. all of these things that have repeatedly been stated and shot down as false, but he seemingly just doesn't care. and in fact this is part of a broader problem on the right. they have had a concerted effort to make voters and americans mistrust the media, mistrust independent institutions and they have, on the other side, created their own set of institutions to validate you know their version of reality. you know the heritage foundation , fox news --

>> u.s. chamber of commerce .

>> -- are all set up so they can provide the facts that they can base these lies on. i mean that's why, again go back to the president in his speech, these are the facts. republicans have done everything they can to make people mistrustful of what the facts and.

>> and the voter doesn't know who to trust. it would be nice if we could ask questions about his policy-free agenda but here ace clip of what happens when you try to ask mitt romney a question. watch this.

>> the governor's going to remain here while we say good-bye to our friends from the press. good-bye.

>> how long can romney keep up the howard hughes act with press?

>> he can keep it up quite a while, remarkably. this is beyond simple lie organize fabrication. this is an alternative reality , the reality that you get if you watch without mentioning any names a certain news channel that is not msnbc. there's -- all of these pseudo pseudofacts you heard from governor romney , there are people on certain media spreading these pseudofacts and they back up a certain narrative that's quite the opposite of reality but it's one that bolsters the idea of we've got to get that guy out of the white house and get our guy in.

>> right.

>> that's what's happening here. i'll be interested to see how far this goes on. i think after labor day when everybody gets engaged in the campaign we may see grappling with reality. i can hardly wait.

>> in a shock announcement mitt romney 's going to sit down with bob schieffer sunday for an interview. should schieffer ask romney about his reluctance to interact with the press or first ask romney about his problems with the truth? i guess it's only a half-hour show.

>> it has extended to an hour in some markets.

>> really?

>> i'll be happy to send bob a long list of questions for mitt romney because i mean literally he says things in great sites like politicofact.com and the fact checker at "the washington post " point out again and again, as crystal said obama didn't go around the world apologizing he never made that 8% unemployment prom that's you referenced earlier. none of that seems to take hold, it doesn't pervade the slightest bit into the mitt romney reality. and yet you know, i was talking to david axelrod not too long ago and he says the battle of this election is on independent voters and he calls some of them not high information voters meaning they don't absorb a lot, they don't participate a lot, in watching cable tv reading newspapers. you've got to figure out how to reach them. if people don't follow the stuff well they may not know mitt romney 's not telling truth and the stuff may seem right, sound good to them, and that's where the danger is.

>> and the thing that i fear, we talk about the money that's going to be involved and the mass am of advertising. it's not the money that scares me so much. it's their willing tons put that that money behind any lie they want to put on the tv of every american.

>> krystal ball, david corn , clarence page , brilliant.