Hardball | February 01, 2013
>> be a familiar topic around here. we're back. that was a clip from the academy award -nominated "the gate keepers " which opens in select cities today. the film takes a look at intelligence agency and interviews six of its former heads. the surprise here is they sent a lot more like chuck hagel . it's led to human suffering on the part of the palestinians and has been banned for israel itself. and like president obama , they argue for the need to engage your enemies, even hamas and horan. in other words, these men wouldn't fit in very well in the republican party here in the ugs right now. they might even get badgered by lindsey gram. the film is directed by droy droy moray. thank you so much for this. i guess we always know in the state here, as you know, that military are very hesitant. they know the limitations of war in the unexpected horrors and costs of war. tell us about -- because i don't think most of us who follow israeli politics here, are fully aware of the views you got from your people in the military, the top intelligence people there about israeli security.
>> look, the basic thing is where do you want to lead this conflict. not tactically. tactically, those guys can do anything that can -- they can do. i mean, they are targeted assassinating, they are the ones dealing with interrogation, they are the ones that are issuing the curfews. but at the end of the day , where do you want this conflict to lead at the end? and these guys are coming and saying very, very strongly that israel should strive very strongly towards a two-state solution to try to reconciliate with our palestinians. so, well, basically, you are right completely. they do not understand the policy and they are more understanding with barack obama 's moll si.
>> you know, a couple weeks ago, those settlements cutting off the loop between the access bank and east jerusalem . it looked like he was shutting off the stance.
>> well, they spoke a lot about doing that. no prime minister has done that building in the e-1 territory, disconnecting, basically, the prospect of connecting to the palestinian territories . this is before the election to the extreme right wing in israel . but i think that the election has proven for i don't know how many times that the israeli public is much smarter than the politicians in there. and they say to him basically they wanted to go center and not go to the extreme right which he wanted to do.
>> what do you think? you're a pretty young guy. you look down the road for israel . you look down the road for israel . and always like to be optimistic about that country. do you see a chance for some reasonable situation, say 20, 30 years from now where there's enough of a middle class in the west bank where they have some stakes in peace. the country itself is not willing to punish terrorists. i always thaugts that was the standard. unless arabs are willing to kill arabs for jews. can you see that arriving in 20 years?
>> i think what is the gate keepers are saying to us, they are saying that this depends on two great leaders that has to be, at the same time, on both sides of the equation. and this has never happened up until now. if you asked me honestly, yok that this can happen. we don't have those leaders. and unless there will be an immense pressure, coming from the u.s. e, especially on the white house . well, i wish we could give you back them. it's up to the level of these guys.
>> i have to agree with you. those amazingly, tremendously great leaders were always assassinated by the extreme religious partners on both sides. that, as you mentioned, either the extreme right wing in israel who assassinated. this is the tragedy in the area.
>> i wishl you well of the gate keepers who's going to inform you this turbulent and devicive as ours. thank you dror moray. when we return with a dynamic massachusetts delegation to the u.s. senate . you're watching "hardball," the place