Hardball | January 31, 2013
>>> feels like we report news like this far too often, but today a student was shot in the head at an atlanta middle school and remains hospitalized. the suspect, a fellow student, has been apprehended. keep that in mind as you listen to the right wing voices resisting even common sense gun restrictio restrictions. they emptied their entire bag of tricks, everything from why have laws to citizens need military caliber guns because police budgets have been slashed but one argument made by gayle trotter was slippery and misleading. one democratic senator called her bluff. here is the sequence at a hearing designed to consider whether assault weapons should be banned. trotter told the story of a single mother who used a gun to protect herself and her baby. jild like to begin with the compelling story of sarah mckinley , home alone with her baby, she called 911 when two violent intruders began to break down her front door. as the intruders forced their way into her home, miss mckinley fired her weapon fatally wounding one of the violent attackers. the other fled.
>> no mention of the type of weapon the woman used. in fact, the woman defended herself with a shotgun. and a pistol. neither of which would be affected at all by the assault weapons ban . later she gave a historical example of a woman using an assault ripele for protection.
>> an assault weapon in the hands of a new woman defending her babies in her home becomes a defense weapon and the peace of mind that a woman has as she's facing three, four, five violent attackers, intruders in her home with her children screaming in the background, the peace of mind that she has knowing that she has a scary looking gun gives her more courage when she's fighting hardened violent criminals.
>> so all mothers should have assault weapons . it's like happiness is a warm gun here. but rhode island senator sheldon white house, one of the coming as far as of the u.s. senate , didn't want there to be any confusion or conflation here.
>> miss trotter, quick question. sarah mckinley in defending her home used a remington 870 express 12 gauge sht gun that would not be banned under the statute, correct.
>> i don't remember what type of weapon she used.
>> well, trust me, that's what it was. and it would not be banned under the statute.
>> i think you can understand that as a woman i think it's very important not to place undue burdens on our second amendment right to choose to defend ourselves.
>> absolute propaganda with that final line trotter gave it away. she appropriated phrases from the pro choice reproductive rights movement about undue burden and about choice. every trick in the book we're seeing here. joining me is u.s. congresswoman carolyn maloney who has had real life experience and msnbc contributor ron reagan . what do you think of that performance where she's using the language we're familiar with on abortion rights , undue burden , choice, as a woman. the language appealing to gender. you're a woman. what do you make of it?
>> well, to be honest with you, i was shocked because obviously she doesn't know what we're trying to do. number one. that woman will have the right to defend herself, and she will have the gun of her choice even if she wants to use a large magazine, she will because it will have ten bullets and one in the chamber. that's 11 bullets. i would tend to think that this is not an issue between men and women and the right to be able to own a gun. we're not even going there. excuse me. so what you've seen in that hearing yesterday, not just with her, but really on the whole side, lapierre was way out of line as far as he was saying on something that he said a couple weeks ago. we'll think about, you know, background checks . they're backing away right now, and in my opinion they're running scared.
>> you know, in catholic school when everybody did something wrong in the old days, they would say what if everybody did that. can you imagine a country, congresswoman, where everybody had not not a sawed-off shotgun, but everybody and every mer, had to have a semiautomatic rifle at hand at all times. everybody had to live like that because if it wasn't the bad guys coming in, like five of them according to her in this situation, the government mightimight be coming in and you have to protect your babies.
>> paranoia and fear is definitely what the nra has been doing and i wish they had listen to the majority of their members that are saying we should have universal background checks . an awful lot of them are saying i don't need a large magazine. that's not what i hunt for. i have a gun home to protect my family. we're not taking any of that away. but there's still -- if you read the blogs and everything, i mean, what's being put out there is so far from the truth. but when you think about it, you know, what we're trying to do is holistically, we're trying to look at the guns that cause the most damage, the large magazines which obviously once you go over that 15, 20, 30, 40, up to 100, they say, well, that's taking away our right, but why did we ban machine guns ? that's legal by the supreme court . i still go back to the supreme court which they seem to be ignoring right now, the nr a. they don't even want to listen to their own people in the supreme court saying that the municipalities and the sats have the right to make laws to protect their citizens.
>> let's go to ron reagan on these thoughts. i want you to watch something by lindsey graham here. lindsey graham has been all over the place doing bad work i think the last couple days. here he is warning that cuts to police budgets, talk about republicans going crazy, are one reason citizens need guns with high capacity magazines. in other words, you got to reproduce the local police department. let's listen here.
>> because of the fiscal state of affairs we have, there will be less police officers , not more, over the next decade. response times are going to be less, not more. there can be a situation where a mother runs out of bullets because of something we do here.
>> now we have a new pearl harbor slogan, cut the police , pass the ammunition. i mean, it's unbelievable, ron.
>> well, it's ironic, too because republicans have been promoting these slashing of local budgets that results in fewer police on the streets here, and there's an unstated irony in this as well. that lindsey graham knows full well, wayne lapierre knows full well, gayle troder knows full well and shelden whitehouse asked a question which lapierre ducked. if you talk to hard core members of the nra , they will admit as senator whitehouse said, they will admit you don't need an ar-15 to defend your home or go hunting or go target shooting or anything else. they want those guns because the police have those guns. and they believe that they will have to fight the police , and they want to be as heavily armed as the police when that happens. that is the underlying philosophy.
>> so they think in terms of a barricade situation where it's them against the law.
>> congresswoman, that is new. it used to be they would say we're sportsmen, we're hunters, and then they would say whatever, self protection if you live in a tough neighborhood or whatever. now they openly say we have to fight the government. that's pretty close to insurrection time, isn't it? we have to be ready to fight the government?
>> this is what we've been hearing for a couple months to be very honest with you. we heard these arguments going all the way back to aurora and going back to gabby giffords . this is the fear and the mongering they put out there. remember, lapierre said when they came out and spoke for the first time, oh, we should be having more police officers on the street. well -- and in schools. i agree with that. i would love to have more police officers in all of our communities. that alone will not solve the problem. it's got to be everything together holistically. more police , better education, certainly mental health , those are the things that we need to do. so those that want to work with us, that's great. but the nra , which they kind of gave us hints that they were willing to work with us but now they have totally flipped and they want nothing to do with us.
>> it's nothing from then ra. the nra 's wayne lapiera pfepierre -- we're out of time. we're going to keep this conversation up for months. you have had the experience of knowing how important it is. gabby giffords , husband mark kelly .
>> and that's the difference other victims are now speaking up, and to see gaggy yesterday and her husband by her side talking about this, these were strong nra supporters and yet they see what can be done.
>> i think --
>> 20 dead first graders --
>> go ahead, ron. jifs going to say in closing, 20 dead first graders has a way of concentrating the mind.
>> it's a serious conversation. it's an american conversation. thank you, congresswoman carolyn mccarthy of new york and ron reagan .
>>> we have one more note about the epidemic of gun violence in this country. yesterday we told you about 15-year-oldh adia pendleton of chicago who was fate ideally shot in what may have been a gang turf war . after having performed in washington with her high school band for the inaugural music festival , it all happened since then, we learned in 2008 she was featured in a video speaking out against gun violence . here is part of that video.
>> so many children are fearing gangs and it's your job as students to say no