Hardball | January 08, 2013
>>> been 25 days thins the shooting in new toup, connecticut, and two years since the massacre in tucson that left six dead and injured u.s. congresswoman gabrielle giffords . the vice president is spearheading a gun control task force in response and outside organizations against the troops against illegal guns are organized to make sure this time gun laws are strengthened. gun control advocates are up against a vehement and sometimes incoherent opposition. one example alex jones who has called for piers morgan to be deported because of his positions. take a look here at the face.
>> we did it to point out this is globalism and the mega banks that control the planet and brag they have taken over in bloomberg, ap, routers, you name it, brag that they're going to get our guns as well. they have taken everybody's guns but the swiss and the american people and when they get our guns they can have their world tierney while the government buys 1.6 billion bullets, armored vehicles , tank, predator drones armed in u.s. skies being used to arrest people in north dakota . the second amendment isn't there for duck hunting . it's there to protect us from tyrannical government and street thugs.
>> joining me is roxana green, whose daughter christina taylor green was killed in that tucson massacre, and former governor of pennsylvania and mayor of philadelphia, ed ren del. you have both had your own experiences. it's so nice to have you on. thank you. what's your sort of mental and emotional reaction when you hear someone like alex jones spew that sort of armageddon language about guns?
>> i'm speechless. i really don't even know what to say. i have no comment. unbelievable.
>> governor, you have experienced -- pennsylvania is relatively free of insane people, but you hear of people -- this guy is talking about the united states being a tierney coming to take his guns and he's well armed and eats going to take it on.
>> i want to say to mrs. green, the commercial you did is wonderful and i think we'll talk about it but it's crucial to keep the intensity level up for all those who believe we need to do something so congratulations. chris , when i saw that clip, it made me happy and i'll tell you why. because it painted out to average americans as clearly as anything we can say how crazy the other side is and how reasonable people, including nra members, including gun owners , reasonable people will agree that there are things we can do to minimize the risk here, to reduce the harm and the carnage and we have to do them.
>> i thought he did a good job. i think piers did an excellent job of restraint. i don't think i would have shown that kind of restraint. he made a couple points that are very important i thought, that in flaund they have 37 people killed by guns a year. we have over 11,000 killed. we have a real problem with guns. let me show a bit of ad that the governor mentioned you were in. here is part of the ad you made for the group mayors against illegal guns . let's listen.
>> my 9-year-old daughter was murdered in the tucson shooting. i have one question for our political leaders. when will you find the courage to stand up to the gun lobby ? whose child has to die next? to every mother, we cannot wait. we have to demand a plan.
>> how do you tell a gentleman in the united states senate or congress or a woman that you may lose your career over this issue. i know we had a great liberal senator from pennsylvania , joe clark , who lost his career over this. how do you tell them to stand up, man up, woman up, and do the right thing even if it means they lose the next election? how do you make that case?
>> are you asking me or roxana ?
>> roxana , please.
>> i really don't have the answers for that. all i know is that i'm encouraging people in their communities to call their congressman or senators and demand a plan right now. our little ones' lives are at stake. it's something i'm just going to fight for for as long as it takes. i am really confident they're going to do something now ever since newtown. i don't know why it keeps on happening but i think there's got to be a sensible plan, common sense gun regulation out there. i just hope and pray that we can have background checks on every single gun that's purchased, that, you know, we go back to the ban on military-style assault weapons and high-capacity magazines and we make gun trafficking a federal offense .
>> can we do those things, governor, that she just mentioned?
>> they've all been done at some time or another then discarded.
>> sure, we can, chris . and roxana is part of the reason and so are the tucson and virginia tech victims who joined together in an ad. so are the aurora victims. all of us have to keep the pressure on. what happens is when there's a mass murder , everyone is outraged. we have wonderful memorial services, there are tears and we vow to do something, and then three weeks later we forget about it. but this time we're not going to forget, and i think what roxana is doing and what others are doing will ensure that. and, chris , the nra 's power to defeat people in elections is absolutely overrated and you're looking at the prime example. you know that pennsylvania has the second highest number of nra members in the state of any stit state in the union. i won three state elections with then ra dead set against me by 10 points, 12 points , and 21-point margins and i did it without compromising any of the things that i believed in on guns. reasonable nra members in a frank lunts poll, 74% of them agree with roxana that no one should get a gun without a background check .
>> well said. this morning mark kelly and gag gabrielle giffords called for an end to gun violence and announced they formed an organization to challenge the nra up front.
>> when it hits a human body , the effects are devastating. it's designed to do that, and that's what our soldiers ought to carry. i personally don't think there's any need for that kind of weaponry on the streets and particularly around the schools in america.
>> well, that's general stanley mcchrystal. back to you, roxana . this kind of shooting that goes on, it's usually with a semiautomatic, mass shootings, the 13r50e shootings if you will that killed your daughter. 2456s at a public event. to me it was a crime against democracy. you had a public meeting of a u.s. congress person meeting with their constituents and auto guy comes up and starts shooting people all over the place. is there any way to hide from this gun violence ? it seems we're all vulnerable to this thing now.
>> i don't know. i mean, i think it's an act of terrorism what he did and several other criminals that are involved in these mass shootings, and when you can't go to your place of worship , a grocery store like where my daughter was, your school, a movie theater , i just don't understand it. these are supposed to be safe places for our children and for innocent people. so i just encourage people to visit demand a plan.org and get involved so we can do something about this.
>> i want to recommend to everybody as governor rendell said a minute ago, everybody should watch this thing on youtube, this crazy guy, alex jones , going up against piers morgan . that will tell you what the face of the enemy looks like on this issue better than anything he can say. this guy is crazy. he thinks george walker bush , the president of the united states , ordered the destruction of 9/11. he's the guy that -- some sort of pumping action blew up the world trade centers and the pentagon. he did it. that's what this nut case believes. anyway, thank you, roxana green and for your family we can only ex prus our sympathy again and former governor ed rendell thank you for your guts. and this is "hardball," the place for politics. my